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Christianity is a religion.  Yes, it is the one true religion, but it is a religion. 

Let me give an example, the old order Amish/Mennonite is a religion, yes they are Christian, but their religion/doctrine tells them not to drive cars, only horse drawn buggies. Now I'm not losing any sleep over the idea they only use buggies (what ever floats their boat) but that is their religion. There is a local Church a friend of mind visited while looking for a Church to attend, they told him he is welcome to be a member but he must shave his mustache off and his sleeves must extend below his elbows (not just the woman's sleeves) and that is their religion, their doctrine (my friend still has his mustache). This is man using religion to get to God. I myself don't need a Church's religious beliefs other than what is in the Bible, the Bible is my doctrine, the Bible says women should dress modestly and there should be no argument there because it is pretty well cut and dried.

 

Lets also face it, men should dress modestly also, I'm not figuring on wearing any spandex pants to Church anytime soon, LOL I don't want to scare the congregation out the door.

 

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The Amish are very legalistic.Spandex pants is another no no.Looks like the pants are painted on.


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You know what gets me, it is these post about the Amish dress this way, the baptist dress this way, etc, etc, it all comes under religion.

Hi oldzimn, Anything that a person chooses to seperate from or do in their personal lives for the sake of God and to be pleasing to HIM only----Is a persons Religion. That can mean anything to people. I'll give an example below.

 

Religion is what man does to get to God, God doesn't use religion to get to man. So I think there is a fine line when it comes to religion on adding or subtracting from God's word.

Oldzimm

A persons so called fine lined religion as you used will not get anyone to God. But it is when a person calls out on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ that will be saved to the uttermost. When they from the mouth of faith confess He was the Chirst the saviour of the world that gave his blood as the sacrifice on the cross for the remission of their sins personal and believe Jesus died was buried and arose again on the third day shall be saved.

A persons true religion are the things they practice and do in the sight of God and will come out of the new man created in Christ Jesus as old things are passed away and behold all things are made new. Apostle James gives an example in his writing in how the conduct behaviour on in the inward and outward man of Christ within side of our hearts that is practiced outwardly as Christians believers showing true religion after salvation in how it will or can be shown inwardly and outwardly within a person.....true meekness in the form of holding our tongues and so forth....

James 1:19-27 - Wherefore my beloved brethren let every man be swift to to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls But by ye doers of the word and not hearers only, "deceiving" your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural faice in a glass. Gor he beholdeth himself and goeth hes was, and straightway forgeteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfedct law of liberty and continueth therin he being no a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work this man shall be blessed in his deed. (JAMES THEN GIVES A REAL LIVE EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN TRUE RELIGION CAN BE SEEN IN WHAT HE DOES IN HIS GOOD WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WALKING IN THE SIGHT OF GOD) If any man among you seem to be religious, (spiritual) and bridleth not his tongue but deceiveth his own heart this man's religion is VAIN. Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widow's in their affiction and to keep himself unspotted from this world.

A person religion is what they do and don't do in the eyes of God. People blame religion as being a bad thing. But a person's religion goes even beyond what clothing a person chooses to put own each day. How well do we measure up in areas that have nothing to do with clothings. Or is this kind of stuff that is mentioned in the scriptures that old kind of worthless religion too that has that fine line within thant cannot get anyone to heaven either if they practice it on a daily basis their personal religious lives.

Or is it the real kind of religion a person should practice without the so called fine lines within it. The word religion is not a "bad" word when it comes to God and our christian lives as some make it out to be.


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You know what gets me, it is these post about the Amish dress this way, the baptist dress this way, etc, etc, it all comes under religion.

Hi oldzimn, Anything that a person chooses to seperate from or do in their personal lives for the sake of God and to be pleasing to HIM only----Is a persons Religion. That can mean anything to people. I'll give an example below.

 

Religion is what man does to get to God, God doesn't use religion to get to man. So I think there is a fine line when it comes to religion on adding or subtracting from God's word.

Oldzimm

A persons so called fine lined religion as you used will not get anyone to God. But it is when a person calls out on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ that will be saved to the uttermost. When they from the mouth of faith confess He was the Chirst the saviour of the world that gave his blood as the sacrifice on the cross for the remission of their sins personal and believe Jesus died was buried and arose again on the third day shall be saved.

A persons true religion are the things they practice and do in the sight of God and will come out of the new man created in Christ Jesus as old things are passed away and behold all things are made new. Apostle James gives an example in his writing in how the conduct behaviour on in the inward and outward man of Christ within side of our hearts that is practiced outwardly as Christians believers showing true religion after salvation in how it will or can be shown inwardly and outwardly within a person.....true meekness in the form of holding our tongues and so forth....

James 1:19-27 - Wherefore my beloved brethren let every man be swift to to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls But by ye doers of the word and not hearers only, "deceiving" your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural faice in a glass. Gor he beholdeth himself and goeth hes was, and straightway forgeteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfedct law of liberty and continueth therin he being no a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work this man shall be blessed in his deed. (JAMES THEN GIVES A REAL LIVE EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN TRUE RELIGION CAN BE SEEN IN WHAT HE DOES IN HIS GOOD WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WALKING IN THE SIGHT OF GOD) If any man among you seem to be religious, (spiritual) and bridleth not his tongue but deceiveth his own heart this man's religion is VAIN. Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widow's in their affiction and to keep himself unspotted from this world.

A person religion is what they do and don't do in the eyes of God. People blame religion as being a bad thing. But a person's religion goes even beyond what clothing a person chooses to put own each day. How well do we measure up in areas that have nothing to do with clothings. Or is this kind of stuff that is mentioned in the scriptures that old kind of worthless religion too that has that fine line within thant cannot get anyone to heaven either if they practice it on a daily basis their personal religious lives.

Or is it the real kind of religion a person should practice without the so called fine lines within it. The word religion is not a "bad" word when it comes to God and our christian lives as some make it out to be.

 

I prefer to say I have a "relationship" with Christ and not a "religion".


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I prefer to say I have a "relationship" with Christ and not a "religion".

That's great bopeep

But I was not speaking in light of one's personal preferences.


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Christianity is a religion.  Yes, it is the one true religion, but it is a religion. 

Let me give an example, the old order Amish/Mennonite is a religion, yes they are Christian, but their religion/doctrine tells them not to drive cars, only horse drawn buggies. Now I'm not losing any sleep over the idea they only use buggies (what ever floats their boat) but that is their religion. There is a local Church a friend of mind visited while looking for a Church to attend, they told him he is welcome to be a member but he must shave his mustache off and his sleeves must extend below his elbows (not just the woman's sleeves) and that is their religion, their doctrine (my friend still has his mustache). This is man using religion to get to God. I myself don't need a Church's religious beliefs other than what is in the Bible, the Bible is my doctrine, the Bible says women should dress modestly and there should be no argument there because it is pretty well cut and dried.

 

Lets also face it, men should dress modestly also, I'm not figuring on wearing any spandex pants to Church anytime soon, LOL I don't want to scare the congregation out the door.

 

Oldzimm  

 

The Amish are very legalistic.Spandex pants is another no no.Looks like the pants are painted on.

 

LOL bopeep I agree Spandex is a big NO NO, I was only making humor, I don't own any spandex clothing and I never will, believe me nobody would ever want to see me in spandex anyway.

 

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Christianity is a religion.  Yes, it is the one true religion, but it is a religion. 

Let me give an example, the old order Amish/Mennonite is a religion, yes they are Christian, but their religion/doctrine tells them not to drive cars, only horse drawn buggies. Now I'm not losing any sleep over the idea they only use buggies (what ever floats their boat) but that is their religion. There is a local Church a friend of mind visited while looking for a Church to attend, they told him he is welcome to be a member but he must shave his mustache off and his sleeves must extend below his elbows (not just the woman's sleeves) and that is their religion, their doctrine (my friend still has his mustache). This is man using religion to get to God. I myself don't need a Church's religious beliefs other than what is in the Bible, the Bible is my doctrine, the Bible says women should dress modestly and there should be no argument there because it is pretty well cut and dried.

 

Lets also face it, men should dress modestly also, I'm not figuring on wearing any spandex pants to Church anytime soon, LOL I don't want to scare the congregation out the door.

 

Oldzimm  

 

The Amish are very legalistic.Spandex pants is another no no.Looks like the pants are painted on.

 

LOL bopeep I agree Spandex is a big NO NO, I was only making humor, I don't own any spandex clothing and I never will, believe me nobody would ever want to see me in spandex anyway.

 

Oldzimm 

 

The world thanks you   :grin:


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You know what gets me, it is these post about the Amish dress this way, the baptist dress this way, etc, etc, it all comes under religion.

Hi oldzimn, Anything that a person chooses to seperate from or do in their personal lives for the sake of God and to be pleasing to HIM only----Is a persons Religion. That can mean anything to people. I'll give an example below.

 

Religion is what man does to get to God, God doesn't use religion to get to man. So I think there is a fine line when it comes to religion on adding or subtracting from God's word.

Oldzimm

A persons so called fine lined religion as you used will not get anyone to God. But it is when a person calls out on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ that will be saved to the uttermost. When they from the mouth of faith confess He was the Chirst the saviour of the world that gave his blood as the sacrifice on the cross for the remission of their sins personal and believe Jesus died was buried and arose again on the third day shall be saved.

A persons true religion are the things they practice and do in the sight of God and will come out of the new man created in Christ Jesus as old things are passed away and behold all things are made new. Apostle James gives an example in his writing in how the conduct behaviour on in the inward and outward man of Christ within side of our hearts that is practiced outwardly as Christians believers showing true religion after salvation in how it will or can be shown inwardly and outwardly within a person.....true meekness in the form of holding our tongues and so forth....

James 1:19-27 - Wherefore my beloved brethren let every man be swift to to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls But by ye doers of the word and not hearers only, "deceiving" your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural faice in a glass. Gor he beholdeth himself and goeth hes was, and straightway forgeteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfedct law of liberty and continueth therin he being no a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work this man shall be blessed in his deed. (JAMES THEN GIVES A REAL LIVE EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN TRUE RELIGION CAN BE SEEN IN WHAT HE DOES IN HIS GOOD WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WALKING IN THE SIGHT OF GOD) If any man among you seem to be religious, (spiritual) and bridleth not his tongue but deceiveth his own heart this man's religion is VAIN. Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widow's in their affiction and to keep himself unspotted from this world.

A person religion is what they do and don't do in the eyes of God. People blame religion as being a bad thing. But a person's religion goes even beyond what clothing a person chooses to put own each day. How well do we measure up in areas that have nothing to do with clothings. Or is this kind of stuff that is mentioned in the scriptures that old kind of worthless religion too that has that fine line within thant cannot get anyone to heaven either if they practice it on a daily basis their personal religious lives.

Or is it the real kind of religion a person should practice without the so called fine lines within it. The word religion is not a "bad" word when it comes to God and our christian lives as some make it out to be.

 

I prefer to say I have a "relationship" with Christ and not a "religion".

 

Good read, but I never said religion was bad, my main point was people use religion to get to God and God doesn't use religion to get to people, James 1;27 gives a hint to that.

 

James 1:27

27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

 

God doesn't need religion to get to us, he has his word to get to us, we just have to read it and believe.

 

The fine line I wrote of specially refers to Church doctrine (religion can be included), when a Church makes a doctrine they should take special care not to add or subtract from God's word.

 

Oldzimm


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You know what gets me, it is these post about the Amish dress this way, the baptist dress this way, etc, etc, it all comes "under" religion. Religion is what man does to get to God, God doesn't use religion to get to man. So I think there is a "fine line" when it comes to religion on adding or subtracting from God's word.

 

Oldzimm

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I was just taking OUT the fine line you mentioned.

I don't agree with your difinition of religion.

Religion can't get you "TO" God or give reconciliation. Only calling on the name of the Lord can do that 2 Cor. 5.

The personal mannerism of individuals and their walk before the Lord be it outward or inward does not "fall" or come "under" religion. It is and has became their religion. It is their personal spirituality and FAITH lived out before God and man through their lifestyle and mannerism inward and outward they live out before man and in the eyes of their God.

You actually said that the posts about the way the Amish, the baptist and etc., all comes "under" religion. You didn't put their religion is a good light but in a bad light as you said it was one of the things that get's you. That is the way I took it from the words used and what you said in your post here. So to me You put religion in a bad light. but thanks so much for the clarification of your meaning.


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One thing for sure spandex will not cover up all the spiritual nakedness that is out there. Can't cling close enough as no flesh and bones nor it's blood will inherit the kingdom of God. God is not mocked he knows who has on what and where they got it on at.


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One thing for sure spandex will not cover up all the spiritual nakedness that is out there. Can't cling close enough as no flesh and bones nor it's blood will inherit the kingdom of God. God is not mocked he knows who has on what and where they got it on at.

Right, God knows the heart.No one can fool God or run from Him.

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