What is meant by the Only Begotten Son of God?

[Guest shiloh357]

That's a bunch of trash, at least the parts that actually made any sense.  The rest of us it is just incomprehensible babble.

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

 

Shalom, 19Duggarfan.

 

So what do you think the Scripture mean when it speaks of the Only Begotten Son of God? Many Christians (myself included) believe it speaks of The Word becoming flesh of when The Word was incarnated in the flesh and became the man Jesus.

But yet most believers believe than the Word was begotten of the Father sometime before the world was created yet He still had no beginning. If I remember right this what is stated in the Nicene Creed.

 

I wouldn’t be Retrobyter if I didn’t give you a different answer than do others.

 

I believe that it is summed up in the decree quoted in Psalm 2:

 

Psalm 2:1-12

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed (His Messiah, His Christ), saying,

3 "Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us."

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: 'the Lord hath said unto me, "Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel."'

10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."

KJV

 

So, what day was that?

 

 

Acts 13:33 tells us what day the second psalm was speaking of here (below) as God had to fulfill it

 

Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children,

in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm,

Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

 

I didnt see that posted but there is the direct reference to that psalm in Acts.

 

Also in Hebrews 5:5 it says  

 

Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest;

but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

 

If he were on earth he would not be a high priest though,

Hebrews is equating that day of being made a high priest to that same day mentioned in Psalm 2:7 

which the apostles said (in Acts 13:33) God fulfilled "in that" he raised up Jesus again.

 

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

 

Although someone mentioned the Nicene Creed I think it says begotten not made, but scriptures shows the Word was made flesh, even made of a woman made under the law, however it shows he was begotten from the dead (being the first begotten of the same) and so I dont see the apostles getting too nutso over words they use both (made, and begotten).

[Riverwalker]

Jesus is the only one of us who God had a hand in physically birthing

 

Luke 1 ³⁵ And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God

 

This is a beggetting

 

the rest of us were grafted in, adopted into the Family

 

 

Romans 8:¹⁴ For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. ¹⁵ For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” ¹⁶ The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, ¹⁷ and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.

 

 

The Son of God was physically begotten by God  Unlike Adam and Eve who were created, this speaks to the natural birthing process

[Ezra]

Jesus is the only one of us who God had a hand in physically birthing

 

Luke 1 ³⁵ And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God

 

This is a beggetting...

 

The Son of God was physically begotten by God  Unlike Adam and Eve who were created, this speaks to the natural birthing process

Riverwalker,

It appears that you have not read any of the posts in this thread.  Was Jesus the only begotten Son from eternity past, or was He begotten at His incarnation?  That is the question that you must ask, and the answers have already been provided. 

 

Since God is from everlasting to everlasting, and since Jesus is God, it follows that He has been the only begotten (or uniquely begotten) Son of God since eternity past.  His incarnation is a separate matter which pertains to God being manifest in the flesh (1 Tim 3:16).

 

It is also noteworthy that Scripture says that the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost (the third Person of the tri-une Godhead) overshadowed Mary to bring about a supernatural conception.  That in itself tells you that God the Father was not involved with the physical birth of Chirst, but has had an eternal Father-Son relationship with God the Word.

[Riverwalker]

 

Jesus is the only one of us who God had a hand in physically birthing

 

Luke 1 ³⁵ And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God

 

This is a beggetting...

 

The Son of God was physically begotten by God  Unlike Adam and Eve who were created, this speaks to the natural birthing process

Riverwalker,

It appears that you have not read any of the posts in this thread.  Was Jesus the only begotten Son from eternity past, or was He begotten at His incarnation?  That is the question that you must ask, and the answers have already been provided. 

 

Since God is from everlasting to everlasting, and since Jesus is God, it follows that He has been the only begotten (or uniquely begotten) Son of God since eternity past.  His incarnation is a separate matter which pertains to God being manifest in the flesh (1 Tim 3:16).

 

It is also noteworthy that Scripture says that the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost (the third Person of the tri-une Godhead) overshadowed Mary to bring about a supernatural conception.  That in itself tells you that God the Father was not involved with the physical birth of Chirst, but has had an eternal Father-Son relationship with God the Word.

 

I thought I was very clear about the fact that the "begetting" was His physical birth

 

the bible is very clear that Jesus is God,  There is no beginning with God.

 

John 1:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ² He was in the beginning with God. ³ All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. ⁴ In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. ⁵ And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend^[a] it.

 

If all things were made by Jesus....then of course Jesus was not made

 

Begot...in the bible is always about physical birth

Edited July 13, 2015 by Riverwalker

[JustinM]

Yeshua was the only one of the line of Adam begotten by YHWH.  Everyone else in the line was begotten by a man, a descendent of Adam.  What we should really focus on is the word "gave".

 

We may not be able to fully contemplate the Human/Trinity/YHWH nature of Yeshua, but we do know that He was given to us to die in our place.  No one before, or after will ever fill that role, which is why He was the given as the only begotten Son.  For those that may not be fundamentalist Christians, understand that there will be others claiming to be our Savior, but it is a lie, do not let yourselves be deceived.

[Ezra]

I thought I was very clear about the fact that the "begetting" was His physical birth

 

While begetting is normally associated with physical birth, it would be incorrect to apply it to the incarnation of Christ.  It applies to His eternal Sonship.  Please note what is stated in Micah 5:2:

 

INCARNATION

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;

 

ETERNAL SONSHIP

whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

 

That is why "only begotten" means "uniquely begotten" (Gk monogenes) -- an eternal Father-Son relationship, where there is no mother and there is no physical begetting.  Of course this is a mystery, and it is a part of the Mystery of God.

[Retrobyter]

Shabbat shalom, AFlameOfFire.

 

 

 

Shalom, 19Duggarfan.

 

So what do you think the Scripture mean when it speaks of the Only Begotten Son of God? Many Christians (myself included) believe it speaks of The Word becoming flesh of when The Word was incarnated in the flesh and became the man Jesus.

But yet most believers believe than the Word was begotten of the Father sometime before the world was created yet He still had no beginning. If I remember right this what is stated in the Nicene Creed.

 

I wouldn’t be Retrobyter if I didn’t give you a different answer than do others.

 

I believe that it is summed up in the decree quoted in Psalm 2:

 

Psalm 2:1-12

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed (His Messiah, His Christ), saying,

3 "Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us."

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: 'the Lord hath said unto me, "Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel."'

10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."

KJV

 

So, what day was that?

 

 

Acts 13:33 tells us what day the second psalm was speaking of here (below) as God had to fulfill it

 

Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children,

in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm,

Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

 

I didnt see that posted but there is the direct reference to that psalm in Acts.

 

Also in Hebrews 5:5 it says  

 

Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest;

but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

 

If he were on earth he would not be a high priest though,

Hebrews is equating that day of being made a high priest to that same day mentioned in Psalm 2:7 

which the apostles said (in Acts 13:33) God fulfilled "in that" he raised up Jesus again.

 

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

 

Although someone mentioned the Nicene Creed I think it says begotten not made, but scriptures shows the Word was made flesh, even made of a woman made under the law, however it shows he was begotten from the dead (being the first begotten of the same) and so I dont see the apostles getting too nutso over words they use both (made, and begotten).

 

 

Yes, the BEGINNING of the fulfillment of Psalm 2 is found in Acts, but not its entirety! The REST of the story isn’t fulfilled until the Messiah returns! I believe the key of the verse is found in the phrase, “Thou art my Son,” and that this is the day that He was so “begotten”:

 

Mark 1:9-11

9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.

10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:

11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

KJV

 

Luke 3:21-22

21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

KJV

[JohnD]

Jesus (preincarnate or God the Word) created all created things in the beginning (John 1:1-3 / Colossians 1:13-16) by himself / alone:

 

Isaiah 44:24 (AV)

²⁴Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

 

He was in company with the Father (1 John 1:1-2) and the Holy Spirit (Genesis 1:1-2). But he acted all alone.

 

Thus, the sons of God in Genesis 6 and Job chapters 1 and 2 and in Luke 3:38 are sons of God the Word. Not God the Father.

 

Hebrews 1:5 (AV)

⁵For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

 

Hebrews 10:5 (AV)

⁵Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

 

John 1:14 (AV)

¹⁴And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

The only thing God the Father created is the body of the Son Jesus Christ whom God the Word preexisted and became. John 1:1 / John 1:14a.

 

We who believe in Jesus are children of the Father through adoption:

 

Romans 8:15 (AV)

¹⁵For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

 

Jesus is the only begotten Son of the Father. This is also how the Father is his God (John 20:17 etc.).

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

 

Shabbat shalom, AFlameOfFire.

 

 

 

Shalom, 19Duggarfan.

 

So what do you think the Scripture mean when it speaks of the Only Begotten Son of God? Many Christians (myself included) believe it speaks of The Word becoming flesh of when The Word was incarnated in the flesh and became the man Jesus.

But yet most believers believe than the Word was begotten of the Father sometime before the world was created yet He still had no beginning. If I remember right this what is stated in the Nicene Creed.

 

I wouldn’t be Retrobyter if I didn’t give you a different answer than do others.

 

I believe that it is summed up in the decree quoted in Psalm 2:

 

Psalm 2:1-12

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed (His Messiah, His Christ), saying,

3 "Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us."

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: 'the Lord hath said unto me, "Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel."'

10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."

KJV

 

So, what day was that?

 

 

Acts 13:33 tells us what day the second psalm was speaking of here (below) as God had to fulfill it

 

Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children,

in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm,

Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

 

I didnt see that posted but there is the direct reference to that psalm in Acts.

 

Also in Hebrews 5:5 it says  

 

Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest;

but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

 

If he were on earth he would not be a high priest though,

Hebrews is equating that day of being made a high priest to that same day mentioned in Psalm 2:7 

which the apostles said (in Acts 13:33) God fulfilled "in that" he raised up Jesus again.

 

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

 

Although someone mentioned the Nicene Creed I think it says begotten not made, but scriptures shows the Word was made flesh, even made of a woman made under the law, however it shows he was begotten from the dead (being the first begotten of the same) and so I dont see the apostles getting too nutso over words they use both (made, and begotten).

 

 

Yes, the BEGINNING of the fulfillment of Psalm 2 is found in Acts, but not its entirety! The REST of the story isn’t fulfilled until the Messiah returns! I believe the key of the verse is found in the phrase, “Thou art my Son,” and that this is the day that He was so “begotten”:

 

Mark 1:9-11

9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.

10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:

11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

KJV

 

Luke 3:21-22

21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

KJV

 

Yeah, I know, I was quoting what pertains to what day as it pertains to the begotten part in both places (the Psalm and Acts)

which is in accord with the OP's question, I didnt touch the rest of the psalm.