Netanyahu says relationship with Obama no bearing on Iran deal

[Guest shiloh357]

Of course it doesn't.   You prefer lies and racism over history and truth.

[thereselittleflower]

Of course it doesn't.   You prefer lies and racism over history and truth.

 

 

 

Exodus 20:16

 

“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. 

 

 

I fear for you Shiloh  - one should not be so eager to walk where angels fear to tread.

[Guest shiloh357]

I am not lying and we have a history of your posts where you cite from Palestinian websites that call for Israel's destruction as well as other anti-Semites who feel the same way.  People are known by the company they keep.   The fact that you chose liars and haters as the ones who share your views says a lot about you.

 

You promote lies and history revisionism and you call God a liar in the process.   YOU are the one who needs to be thinking long and hard about where you will spend eternity.

[thereselittleflower]

I've addressed what you're doing elsewhere.  I don't see a need to do so in every thread.

[OakWood]

 

 

 

 

littleflower, you are confusing types of Zionists with types of Zionism.   Zionism doesn't have multiple definitions.  There are people who have their own customized version of Zionism based on their personal agenda for Zionism.   Only in that sense are their different kinds of Zionism.

 

The definition I provided is what Zionism is and it is not my personal definition.  I didn't make that up, myself.

 

Your problem is that your view of Zionism is poisoned by the lies and misinformation put out by the Muslim community and ignorant, radical, racist leftists who hate Israel and hate the Jews.

 

This entire thread has been about you citing mostly websites that are anti-Semitic and hostile toward Israel while at the same time trying to profess love for the Jewish people.  You are either unable or unwilling to take  good hard look at the moral inconsistency in promoting anti-Israel and anti-Semitic claims and yet denying that you are anti-Semitic.   You get your information mostly from people who hate Jews and you have even tried to defend their claims, but argue that you don't hate Jews.   You are simply not believable, nor trustworthy.

 

The definition of Zionism I provided could apply to any people group, really.   If that were denied to ANY other race on this planet, it would be considered as bigoted and racist, but when it is denied to the Jews, suddenly the rules change.

 

You have done your dead level best to discredit Israel using the most vile hateful websites on the internet to do it.  

 

When you say that you cannot support any nationalistic forms of Zionism, then you lied earlier when you claimed that you were not denying Israel's right to exist as a nation.   The truth now finally comes out.   You don't accept Israel's right to exist as a nation.  Accepting the legitimacy of Israel as a nation is not a wholesale acceptance of everything out there related to "nationalistic"  Zionism.   But I doubt you can bring yourself to be honest about that.

 

Since the Bible prophesies God's restoration of national Israel, I guess you reject God's word as well.

I support you on this shiloh.

 

 

 

Shiloh has simply confused a national zionism with a country.   The country of Israel can exist without national zionism, but because shiloh can't conceive of that possibility, then the two are inextricably linked in his mind together.   

 

The reality is they are not inextricably linked and are very much two separate concepts.

 

Israel exists.

 

Israel therefore has a right to exist.

 

Israel does not need national zionism to exist or continue to exist.

 

The logic here is very simple.

 

 

Your logic is wrong. The nation of Israel may exist but it exists as a Jewish state founded as a homeland for the Jews, whatever else it may be as well.

Zionism means the right for Jews to return to their homeland - it's that simple.

Israel DOES need Zionism in order to continue to exist otherwise it would not be Israel, just some nation with the same name. It's like saying that France does not need French people, French culture or French values in order to exist.... of course you could kick out all the French, fill the country with Germans, Japanese and little green men from Mars, change the national language to Swahili and still call it 'France' but it wouldn't be France.

Likewise, Israel is not Israel unless it provides a safe haven for the Jewish people and provides the 'right to return'. That safe haven and right is known as 'Zionism'.

The Bible makes it clear that God is very strong on Zionism..... !

If you are not a Zionist then you are against the Almighty.

 

 

 

I am sorry, but that rhetoric no longer holds sway over me.   There is no truth to a claim that to be against a political movement is to be against the Almighty.     

 

It is a sin in God's eyes to bear false witness against your neighbor.

 

 

 

Exodus 20:16

“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. 

 

 

You are calling Zionism a political movement and then using that as an excuse to say that God does not support political movements. If a group of Christians desired to build a church and the request to do so became a political movement would you then declare that God does not want the church built because he doesn't support political movements?

You are twisting scripture to de-legitimise Israel.

As for the bit about bearing false witness, your words speak for themselves.

As for God's support of Israel, if you believe that he doesn't then you don't understand scripture.

[thereselittleflower]

 

 

 

 

 

littleflower, you are confusing types of Zionists with types of Zionism.   Zionism doesn't have multiple definitions.  There are people who have their own customized version of Zionism based on their personal agenda for Zionism.   Only in that sense are their different kinds of Zionism.

 

The definition I provided is what Zionism is and it is not my personal definition.  I didn't make that up, myself.

 

Your problem is that your view of Zionism is poisoned by the lies and misinformation put out by the Muslim community and ignorant, radical, racist leftists who hate Israel and hate the Jews.

 

This entire thread has been about you citing mostly websites that are anti-Semitic and hostile toward Israel while at the same time trying to profess love for the Jewish people.  You are either unable or unwilling to take  good hard look at the moral inconsistency in promoting anti-Israel and anti-Semitic claims and yet denying that you are anti-Semitic.   You get your information mostly from people who hate Jews and you have even tried to defend their claims, but argue that you don't hate Jews.   You are simply not believable, nor trustworthy.

 

The definition of Zionism I provided could apply to any people group, really.   If that were denied to ANY other race on this planet, it would be considered as bigoted and racist, but when it is denied to the Jews, suddenly the rules change.

 

You have done your dead level best to discredit Israel using the most vile hateful websites on the internet to do it.  

 

When you say that you cannot support any nationalistic forms of Zionism, then you lied earlier when you claimed that you were not denying Israel's right to exist as a nation.   The truth now finally comes out.   You don't accept Israel's right to exist as a nation.  Accepting the legitimacy of Israel as a nation is not a wholesale acceptance of everything out there related to "nationalistic"  Zionism.   But I doubt you can bring yourself to be honest about that.

 

Since the Bible prophesies God's restoration of national Israel, I guess you reject God's word as well.

I support you on this shiloh.

 

 

 

Shiloh has simply confused a national zionism with a country.   The country of Israel can exist without national zionism, but because shiloh can't conceive of that possibility, then the two are inextricably linked in his mind together.   

 

The reality is they are not inextricably linked and are very much two separate concepts.

 

Israel exists.

 

Israel therefore has a right to exist.

 

Israel does not need national zionism to exist or continue to exist.

 

The logic here is very simple.

 

 

Your logic is wrong. The nation of Israel may exist but it exists as a Jewish state founded as a homeland for the Jews, whatever else it may be as well.

Zionism means the right for Jews to return to their homeland - it's that simple.

Israel DOES need Zionism in order to continue to exist otherwise it would not be Israel, just some nation with the same name. It's like saying that France does not need French people, French culture or French values in order to exist.... of course you could kick out all the French, fill the country with Germans, Japanese and little green men from Mars, change the national language to Swahili and still call it 'France' but it wouldn't be France.

Likewise, Israel is not Israel unless it provides a safe haven for the Jewish people and provides the 'right to return'. That safe haven and right is known as 'Zionism'.

The Bible makes it clear that God is very strong on Zionism..... !

If you are not a Zionist then you are against the Almighty.

 

 

 

I am sorry, but that rhetoric no longer holds sway over me.   There is no truth to a claim that to be against a political movement is to be against the Almighty.     

 

It is a sin in God's eyes to bear false witness against your neighbor.

 

 

 

Exodus 20:16

“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. 

 

 

You are calling Zionism a political movement and then using that as an excuse to say that God does not support political movements. If a group of Christians desired to build a church and the request to do so became a political movement would you then declare that God does not want the church built because he doesn't support political movements?

You are twisting scripture to de-legitimise Israel.

As for the bit about bearing false witness, your words speak for themselves.

As for God's support of Israel, if you believe that he doesn't then you don't understand scripture.

 

 

I do not mean to cause you distress.    The zionism in charge in Israel is the result of a political movement by atheists and it is indeed called political zionism.   I am simply calling it what it is.

 

Do you realize that the originators of this movement were communists and marxists not religious Jews and this is one of the main complaints religious jews have against this politicial zionism?

[Guest shiloh357]

The fact that modern Israel is founded by unbelievers is a direct fulfillment of prophecy.   The Bible unlike religious Jews, teaches that the Jews will return in a state of unbelief and that Israel will grow and prosper and be a strong nation in that state of unbelief.    And what's more, it is God calling them back to the land while they are in a state of unbelief.

 

 

The religious Jews are wrong.  You are wrong.   God is right.  God is in the process of restoring Israel now even though they are unbelievers (the religious Jews you cite are also unbelievers and Christ rejecters).

 

So you are appealing to unbelievers to make a case against the legitimacy of a nation of other unbelievers.   From the standpoint of fulfilled prophecy, God is a Zionist and a political/national Zionist at that.  

[ayin jade]

The fact that modern Israel is founded by unbelievers is a direct fulfillment of prophecy.   The Bible unlike religious Jews, teaches that the Jews will return in a state of unbelief and that Israel will grow and prosper and be a strong nation in that state of unbelief.    And what's more, it is God calling them back to the land while they are in a state of unbelief.

 

 

The religious Jews are wrong.  You are wrong.   God is right.  God is in the process of restoring Israel now even though they are unbelievers (the religious Jews you cite are also unbelievers and Christ rejecters).

 

So you are appealing to unbelievers to make a case against the legitimacy of a nation of other unbelievers.   From the standpoint of fulfilled prophecy, God is a Zionist and a political/national Zionist at that.  

 

 

Just to make it clear to therese.

 

 

Eze 37:1  The hand of the LORD was upon me, and He brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD and set me down in the middle of the valley; and it was full of bones. 

Eze 37:2  He caused me to pass among them round about, and behold, there were very many on the surface of the valley; and lo, they were very dry. 

Eze 37:3  He said to me, "Son of man, can these bones live?" And I answered, "O Lord GOD, You know." 

Eze 37:4  Again He said to me, "Prophesy over these bones and say to them, 'O dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.' 

Eze 37:5  "Thus says the Lord GOD to these bones, 'Behold, I will cause breath to enter you that you may come to life. 

Eze 37:6  'I will put sinews on you, make flesh grow back on you, cover you with skin and put breath in you that you may come alive; and you will know that I am the LORD.'" 

Eze 37:7  So I prophesied as I was commanded; and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold, a rattling; and the bones came together, bone to its bone. 

Eze 37:8  And I looked, and behold, sinews were on them, and flesh grew and skin covered them; but there was no breath in them. 

Eze 37:9  Then He said to me, "Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they come to life."'" 

Eze 37:10  So I prophesied as He commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they came to life and stood on their feet, an exceedingly great army. 

Eze 37:11  Then He said to me, "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel; behold, they say, 'Our bones are dried up and our hope has perished. We are completely cut off.' 

Eze 37:12  "Therefore prophesy and say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel. 

Eze 37:13  "Then you will know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves and caused you to come up out of your graves, My people. 

Eze 37:14  "I will put My Spirit within you and you will come to life, and I will place you on your own land. Then you will know that I, the LORD, have spoken and done it," declares the LORD.'" 

[thereselittleflower]

 

The fact that modern Israel is founded by unbelievers is a direct fulfillment of prophecy.   The Bible unlike religious Jews, teaches that the Jews will return in a state of unbelief and that Israel will grow and prosper and be a strong nation in that state of unbelief.    And what's more, it is God calling them back to the land while they are in a state of unbelief.

 

 

The religious Jews are wrong.  You are wrong.   God is right.  God is in the process of restoring Israel now even though they are unbelievers (the religious Jews you cite are also unbelievers and Christ rejecters).

 

So you are appealing to unbelievers to make a case against the legitimacy of a nation of other unbelievers.   From the standpoint of fulfilled prophecy, God is a Zionist and a political/national Zionist at that.  

 

 

 

So shiloh, you are saying we should support communists and marxists?

[thereselittleflower]

 

The fact that modern Israel is founded by unbelievers is a direct fulfillment of prophecy.   The Bible unlike religious Jews, teaches that the Jews will return in a state of unbelief and that Israel will grow and prosper and be a strong nation in that state of unbelief.    And what's more, it is God calling them back to the land while they are in a state of unbelief.

 

 

The religious Jews are wrong.  You are wrong.   God is right.  God is in the process of restoring Israel now even though they are unbelievers (the religious Jews you cite are also unbelievers and Christ rejecters).

 

So you are appealing to unbelievers to make a case against the legitimacy of a nation of other unbelievers.   From the standpoint of fulfilled prophecy, God is a Zionist and a political/national Zionist at that.  

 

 

Just to make it clear to therese.

 

 

Eze 37:1  The hand of the LORD was upon me, and He brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD and set me down in the middle of the valley; and it was full of bones. 

Eze 37:2  He caused me to pass among them round about, and behold, there were very many on the surface of the valley; and lo, they were very dry. 

Eze 37:3  He said to me, "Son of man, can these bones live?" And I answered, "O Lord GOD, You know." 

Eze 37:4  Again He said to me, "Prophesy over these bones and say to them, 'O dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.' 

Eze 37:5  "Thus says the Lord GOD to these bones, 'Behold, I will cause breath to enter you that you may come to life. 

Eze 37:6  'I will put sinews on you, make flesh grow back on you, cover you with skin and put breath in you that you may come alive; and you will know that I am the LORD.'" 

Eze 37:7  So I prophesied as I was commanded; and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold, a rattling; and the bones came together, bone to its bone. 

Eze 37:8  And I looked, and behold, sinews were on them, and flesh grew and skin covered them; but there was no breath in them. 

Eze 37:9  Then He said to me, "Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they come to life."'" 

Eze 37:10  So I prophesied as He commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they came to life and stood on their feet, an exceedingly great army. 

Eze 37:11  Then He said to me, "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel; behold, they say, 'Our bones are dried up and our hope has perished. We are completely cut off.' 

Eze 37:12  "Therefore prophesy and say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel. 

Eze 37:13  "Then you will know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves and caused you to come up out of your graves, My people. 

Eze 37:14  "I will put My Spirit within you and you will come to life, and I will place you on your own land. Then you will know that I, the LORD, have spoken and done it," declares the LORD.'" 

 

 

 

This is a beautiful passage about the restoration of Israel.

 

 

I assume you see this as applicable to today.   May I ask what you base that on versus some other fulfillment?