Flames of Liberty Posted September 8, 2015 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 164 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 80 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/04/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2015 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/antiisis-paris-summit-world-ministers-meet-to-discuss-strategy-to-wipe-out-terror-group-10290638.htmlIraqi PM Haidar al-Abadi has hit the nail on the head. The Syrian refugee crisis cannot be separated from the success of ISIS/ISIL and the "failure of the world" to deal with ISIS. He is correct in stating that the West is to be blamed for this crisis. Since the Arab Spring in 2011 no one has developed any coherent strategy to bring the world together to fight ISIS. Historically the USA was in the lead in dealing with terrorism. Not any more. Obama has deliberately failed to address this issue in the Middle East, and now we have millions of refugees pouring into Europe. Angela Merkel of Germany (who has opened the borders to 100,000 refugees since 2011) says it will cost Germany billions of dollars, yet Germany was not willing to lift a finger to stop ISIS. Now the world is dealing with the symptoms (refugees) when everyone should have come together to eradicate the disease (radical Islamist terrorism).Such things don't happen in a a few months. It began with removing Saddam Hussein and the rest followed like dominoes....I seem to recall an "Arab Spring" that began when a Tunisian burned himself to death in protest.That was years later....removing Saddam was like removing the stopper from your sink....he was the evil holding back the evil. That's where this all started and the year was 2003. He was a monster but was the only restrainer of Iran. 100% correct. There was a very good reason GH Bush and Powell did not remove Saddam back in the early 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted September 8, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2015 I don't want MY country to fight their battles any more and I'm sure there are millions who feel as I do.You're right. But with good leadership from the USA the ME countries should have been "persuaded" (strong-armed?) to see the light and mobilize their own resources. For example, why are the refugees not being sent to Saudi Arabia (a Muslim country) which has the space and the wealth to deal with this?The Saudis don't want other muslim sects in their country. There is also the problem of disease and straining resources. And then, of course, there is the underlying plot to spread islam all over the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted September 8, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted September 8, 2015 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/antiisis-paris-summit-world-ministers-meet-to-discuss-strategy-to-wipe-out-terror-group-10290638.htmlIraqi PM Haidar al-Abadi has hit the nail on the head. The Syrian refugee crisis cannot be separated from the success of ISIS/ISIL and the "failure of the world" to deal with ISIS. He is correct in stating that the West is to be blamed for this crisis. Since the Arab Spring in 2011 no one has developed any coherent strategy to bring the world together to fight ISIS. Historically the USA was in the lead in dealing with terrorism. Not any more. Obama has deliberately failed to address this issue in the Middle East, and now we have millions of refugees pouring into Europe. Angela Merkel of Germany (who has opened the borders to 100,000 refugees since 2011) says it will cost Germany billions of dollars, yet Germany was not willing to lift a finger to stop ISIS. Now the world is dealing with the symptoms (refugees) when everyone should have come together to eradicate the disease (radical Islamist terrorism).Such things don't happen in a a few months. It began with removing Saddam Hussein and the rest followed like dominoes....I seem to recall an "Arab Spring" that began when a Tunisian burned himself to death in protest.That was years later....removing Saddam was like removing the stopper from your sink....he was the evil holding back the evil. That's where this all started and the year was 2003. He was a monster but was the only restrainer of Iran. Saddam was not holding back the "Arab Spring" ... NY Times: Obama Jump-Started Arab SpringIt is now possible to trace precisely what Obama knew and when he knew it, and it proves that installing the Muslim Brotherhood into power was a conscious and deliberate strategy developed by Obama before the "Arab Spring" began.http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/nytimes-obama-jump-started-arab-spring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted September 9, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.34 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 It is now possible to trace precisely what Obama knew and when he knew it, and it proves that installing the Muslim Brotherhood into power was a conscious and deliberate strategy developed by Obama before the "Arab Spring" began.Absolutely. But here's the thing. The Muslim Brotherhood has its tentacles in the White House, while the Republicans sit around simply wringing their hands and wondering what to do. So isn't the opposition ultimately responsible for this mess? They've been watching multiple useless air-strikes over a period of years but have failed to put together a solid plan or a useful coalition to implement their plan. It's time to impeach Obama and fire Boehner and McConnell yet no one is taking the initiative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted September 9, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 9, 2015 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/antiisis-paris-summit-world-ministers-meet-to-discuss-strategy-to-wipe-out-terror-group-10290638.htmlIraqi PM Haidar al-Abadi has hit the nail on the head. The Syrian refugee crisis cannot be separated from the success of ISIS/ISIL and the "failure of the world" to deal with ISIS. He is correct in stating that the West is to be blamed for this crisis. Since the Arab Spring in 2011 no one has developed any coherent strategy to bring the world together to fight ISIS. Historically the USA was in the lead in dealing with terrorism. Not any more. Obama has deliberately failed to address this issue in the Middle East, and now we have millions of refugees pouring into Europe. Angela Merkel of Germany (who has opened the borders to 100,000 refugees since 2011) says it will cost Germany billions of dollars, yet Germany was not willing to lift a finger to stop ISIS. Now the world is dealing with the symptoms (refugees) when everyone should have come together to eradicate the disease (radical Islamist terrorism).Such things don't happen in a a few months. It began with removing Saddam Hussein and the rest followed like dominoes....I seem to recall an "Arab Spring" that began when a Tunisian burned himself to death in protest.That was years later....removing Saddam was like removing the stopper from your sink....he was the evil holding back the evil. That's where this all started and the year was 2003. He was a monster but was the only restrainer of Iran. Saddam was not holding back the "Arab Spring" ... NY Times: Obama Jump-Started Arab SpringIt is now possible to trace precisely what Obama knew and when he knew it, and it proves that installing the Muslim Brotherhood into power was a conscious and deliberate strategy developed by Obama before the "Arab Spring" began.http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/nytimes-obama-jump-started-arab-springAgain....it goes back years BEFORE the Arab Spring. The beginning of the downward spital in the M.E. started with the toppling of Saddam Hussein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted September 9, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,265 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,993 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 9, 2015 i wonder if it was Iranians that told them that Saddam had those weapons of mass destruction??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted September 9, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 9, 2015 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/antiisis-paris-summit-world-ministers-meet-to-discuss-strategy-to-wipe-out-terror-group-10290638.htmlIraqi PM Haidar al-Abadi has hit the nail on the head. The Syrian refugee crisis cannot be separated from the success of ISIS/ISIL and the "failure of the world" to deal with ISIS. He is correct in stating that the West is to be blamed for this crisis. Since the Arab Spring in 2011 no one has developed any coherent strategy to bring the world together to fight ISIS. Historically the USA was in the lead in dealing with terrorism. Not any more. Obama has deliberately failed to address this issue in the Middle East, and now we have millions of refugees pouring into Europe. Angela Merkel of Germany (who has opened the borders to 100,000 refugees since 2011) says it will cost Germany billions of dollars, yet Germany was not willing to lift a finger to stop ISIS. Now the world is dealing with the symptoms (refugees) when everyone should have come together to eradicate the disease (radical Islamist terrorism).Such things don't happen in a a few months. It began with removing Saddam Hussein and the rest followed like dominoes....I seem to recall an "Arab Spring" that began when a Tunisian burned himself to death in protest.That was years later....removing Saddam was like removing the stopper from your sink....he was the evil holding back the evil. That's where this all started and the year was 2003. He was a monster but was the only restrainer of Iran. 100% correct. There was a very good reason GH Bush and Powell did not remove Saddam back in the early 90s.Right. One really has to go back and then follow the path of history forward. You know what they say about hindsight.....I wish our leaders could have seen where we are now 12 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted September 9, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 9, 2015 i wonder if it was Iranians that told them that Saddam had those weapons of mass destruction???I hadn't thought of that, O.O., but it's a very real possibility considering that Iran was totally hamstrung by Saddam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted September 9, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted September 9, 2015 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/antiisis-paris-summit-world-ministers-meet-to-discuss-strategy-to-wipe-out-terror-group-10290638.htmlIraqi PM Haidar al-Abadi has hit the nail on the head. The Syrian refugee crisis cannot be separated from the success of ISIS/ISIL and the "failure of the world" to deal with ISIS ...Such things don't happen in a a few months. It began with removing Saddam Hussein and the rest followed like dominoes....I seem to recall an "Arab Spring" that began when a Tunisian burned himself to death in protest.That was years later....removing Saddam was like removing the stopper from your sink....he was the evil holding back the evil. That's where this all started and the year was 2003. He was a monster but was the only restrainer of Iran. Saddam was not holding back the "Arab Spring" ... NY Times: Obama Jump-Started Arab SpringIt is now possible to trace precisely what Obama knew and when he knew it, and it proves that installing the Muslim Brotherhood into power was a conscious and deliberate strategy developed by Obama before the "Arab Spring" began.http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/nytimes-obama-jump-started-arab-springAgain....it goes back years BEFORE the Arab Spring. The beginning of the downward spital in the M.E. started with the toppling of Saddam Hussein.So, the beginning of the downward spiral in the Middle East started with the toppling of a dictator who had previously started an eight year war with Iran -- that threatened the international shipping of oil in the Persian Gulf -- and who then invaded Kuwait and threatened its border with Saudi Arabia, two nations where I had to spend the next 6 months of my military life?No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Zion* Posted September 9, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Share Posted September 9, 2015 As I see it, the enemy, satan, is to blame, and we were stupid enough to fall into his trap. This is why Jesus wants to rescue us from his grasp. But does He get a thank you? No, much of the world insists on denying His deity. This problem is not a political one, but one of sheer ignorance. We humans are not as smart as we think or pretend to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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