Submission

[Guest Butero]

Would you die for your wife, obedient ( to you ) or not ? 

While writing my post, this has just answered the definitions of both.

Authority in this case is the one who is willing to submit their own life for the other - pure love, can be the only authority and the only submission in God's kingdom.

Any other definition ends up in Satan's realm.

Submission means obedience to the one who is over you in authority.  A man loving his wife as Christ loved the church would mean he would defend his wife to the death if need be.  I would imagine any good man would defend his family from harm with everything that is within him.  What is your point? 

[Guest Butero]

A wife is not a husband's "property". Focus on your role as a husband. 

But she is under his authority.  To deny that is to do the work of Satan and continue to promote his agenda of rebellion.  We need to focus on the whole counsel of the Word of God, and that includes what the Bible teaches about wives obeying their husbands. 

@ BoPeep.  By refusing to do something he tells her to do. 

A wife a not a dog.It sounds like you rule with a rod of iron.That is not Biblical and I am sure God I am not your wife.

I am not discussing how a man should rule his home.  I am stating the authority he has been given.  I am very happy you are not my wife, and if I am not mistaken, you said you are nobody's wife, and have been married at least twice.  I wouldn't turn to you for marriage advise, but that is another matter.  The only issue I am concerned with is what the Bible teaches, and I can prove what I said is right.  I am more than happy to debate this with you in the Soap Box if you wish, because the issue isn't my marriage, your marriage, or anyone else's individual homes.  The issue is what does the Bible teach.  That is all I am concerned about and nothing more. 

That is a rude comment to make.

No more rude than your comment BoPeep.  If you don't want others to make personal comments about you, you might want to refrain from personal comments about them.  Try sticking with the actual subject being discussed. 

[Guest Butero]

A wife is not a husband's "property". Focus on your role as a husband. 

But she is under his authority.  To deny that is to do the work of Satan and continue to promote his agenda of rebellion.  We need to focus on the whole counsel of the Word of God, and that includes what the Bible teaches about wives obeying their husbands. 

@ BoPeep.  By refusing to do something he tells her to do. 

A wife a not a dog.It sounds like you rule with a rod of iron.That is not Biblical and I am sure God I am not your wife.

I was referring to this rude comment of yours BoPeep.  It has nothing to do with what the Bible teaches and since neither one of us wish to be married to the other, what purpose does such a comment serve? 

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

A wife is not a husband's "property". Focus on your role as a husband. 

But she is under his authority.  To deny that is to do the work of Satan and continue to promote his agenda of rebellion.  We need to focus on the whole counsel of the Word of God, and that includes what the Bible teaches about wives obeying their husbands. 

@ BoPeep.  By refusing to do something he tells her to do. 

 

A wife is not a husband's "property". Focus on your role as a husband. 

 

Are you a "Godly man" Butero ? 

Who can really make such a boast ATGNAT?

Not me brother. Still, I would give my life for my wife, that God gave me, right now if need be. JESUS gave Himself for us when we were yet sinners. without pause. As I was given that same charge for my family, I would do the same. What I expect and require seems to differ from your expectations brother ( though I receive them lovingly ). I suppose I am in sin for placing so much adoration on my wife of 37 years, who has not only stood beside me, but helped to guide me. You may " rule " over your " obedient " wife ( while you remain disobedient to God ), but I am not you, nor would want to be . I love you brother, but God loved you more and before .

[Guest Butero]

We definitely should not live in a lifestyle of sin.  The question was asked, "Shall we sin that grace will abound?  God forbid."  I am just not going to boast that I am a Godly man.  The question itself is a trap.  Besides, what good would such a boast do?  It is one thing that others look at you as Godly, but quite another to look at yourself as Godly.  If I said yes, others would start questioning me about specific areas of my life to try to find fault.  I am not playing that game. 

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

We definitely should not live in a lifestyle of sin.  The question was asked, "Shall we sin that grace will abound?  God forbid."  I am just not going to boast that I am a Godly man.  The question itself is a trap.  Besides, what good would such a boast do?  It is one thing that others look at you as Godly, but quite another to look at yourself as Godly.  If I said yes, others would start questioning me about specific areas of my life to try to find fault.  I am not playing that game. 

Not a game brother. Would YOU submit to an ungodly person? 

[Guest Butero]

We definitely should not live in a lifestyle of sin.  The question was asked, "Shall we sin that grace will abound?  God forbid."  I am just not going to boast that I am a Godly man.  The question itself is a trap.  Besides, what good would such a boast do?  It is one thing that others look at you as Godly, but quite another to look at yourself as Godly.  If I said yes, others would start questioning me about specific areas of my life to try to find fault.  I am not playing that game. 

Not a game brother. Would YOU submit to an ungodly person? 

I do it all the time, in the work place, when it comes to authorities, etc. 

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

 

We definitely should not live in a lifestyle of sin.  The question was asked, "Shall we sin that grace will abound?  God forbid."  I am just not going to boast that I am a Godly man.  The question itself is a trap.  Besides, what good would such a boast do?  It is one thing that others look at you as Godly, but quite another to look at yourself as Godly.  If I said yes, others would start questioning me about specific areas of my life to try to find fault.  I am not playing that game. 

Not a game brother. Would YOU submit to an ungodly person? 

I do it all the time, in the work place, when it comes to authorities, etc. 

So you view your work-place as an extension of your family? C'mon brother! Reason with me here!

[Guest Butero]

A wife is not a husband's "property". Focus on your role as a husband. 

But she is under his authority.  To deny that is to do the work of Satan and continue to promote his agenda of rebellion.  We need to focus on the whole counsel of the Word of God, and that includes what the Bible teaches about wives obeying their husbands. 

@ BoPeep.  By refusing to do something he tells her to do. 

 

A wife is not a husband's "property". Focus on your role as a husband. 

 

Are you a "Godly man" Butero ? 

Who can really make such a boast ATGNAT?

Not me brother. Still, I would give my life for my wife, that God gave me, right now if need be. JESUS gave Himself for us when we were yet sinners. without pause. As I was given that same charge for my family, I would do the same. What I expect and require seems to differ from your expectations brother ( though I receive them lovingly ). I suppose I am in sin for placing so much adoration on my wife of 37 years, who has not only stood beside me, but helped to guide me. You may " rule " over your " obedient " wife ( while you remain disobedient to God ), but I am not you, nor would want to be . I love you brother, but God loved you more and before .

First of all, I would defend my wife to the death if need be.  Second, you are in no position to judge me as being disobedient to God.  I never answered your question.   The Bible makes it clear that wives are to submit to unsaved husbands and live as an example before them in the hope they may be won over to Christ.  To not obey in such a situation is to disobey God. 

LIKEWISE, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives.  While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.  1 Peter 3:1,2

As the leader in your house, you are free to expect nothing from your wife, or you can by an Archie Bunker type.  You know what is right in the sight of God within your own conscience.  I never said anything about how I treat my wife.  Again, I just stated what the Bible says about the husband's authority.  I never said he should abuse his authority.  You are making an awful lot of assumptions. 

Edited September 26, 2015 by Butero

[Guest Butero]

 

We definitely should not live in a lifestyle of sin.  The question was asked, "Shall we sin that grace will abound?  God forbid."  I am just not going to boast that I am a Godly man.  The question itself is a trap.  Besides, what good would such a boast do?  It is one thing that others look at you as Godly, but quite another to look at yourself as Godly.  If I said yes, others would start questioning me about specific areas of my life to try to find fault.  I am not playing that game. 

Not a game brother. Would YOU submit to an ungodly person? 

I do it all the time, in the work place, when it comes to authorities, etc. 

So you view your work-place as an extension of your family? C'mon brother! Reason with me here!

No brother.  I look at all authorities as coming from God, so rebellion against one is no different than rebellion against another.