Breaking - Oregon college shooting

[thereselittleflower]

Nearly everybody in the World owns a pair of fists but we don't go around hitting each other all the time because if you hit somebody you might get hit back!

Imagine a world where only one per cent had fists and everybody else had no arms. It wouldn't take long before some of the one-per-centers started bullying the armless majority.

As for gun crime statistics in the U.S. most of these guns crime are gang related - they are often criminals shooting other criminals. Anti-gun advocates fail to point this out - they just mention the murder totals.

Innocent people are rarely caught up in this. When innocent people are caught up in it, it makes the news because it is rare enough to be newsworthy.

And because it fits an agenda.

[thereselittleflower]

The fact that this guy might have been Muslim is water under the bridge.The most disturbing part is that he had access to a gun.

Problem is limiting guns to law abiding citizens does not limit guns to those who aren't.

 

The problem is the black market and getting those guns into the hands of some very dangerous people.There is no way of eliminating the black market.

Exactly, so gun control to law abiding citizens is a red herring - a diversion from the real problem.

[missmuffet]

Have you noticed that many of these people who go through and kill many end up killing themselves?Why don't they just take the punishment that they deserve if they are taken alive?That is the coward's way out.

[missmuffet]

The fact that this guy might have been Muslim is water under the bridge.The most disturbing part is that he had access to a gun.

Problem is limiting guns to law abiding citizens does not limit guns to those who aren't.

 

The problem is the black market and getting those guns into the hands of some very dangerous people.There is no way of eliminating the black market.

Exactly, so gun control to law abiding citizens is a red herring - a diversion from the real problem.

I am ok for those who are responsible and get background checks.But what about those who check out ok on a background check and have some temper issues?What about family disputes?What about the husband who comes home and finds his wife with another man?Are those scenario's ok to shoot another human being?

[ayin jade]

Because progressive liberals don't understand how important owning guns is to the future of this nation....     and those who do are evil and want to destroy this nation and create a communist government....    that's why.

Do you think that is a little paranoid?Where is your faith?

tied up with the common sense God granted me as i grew up.....   and the constitutional government that is the authority of my country that he has allowed us to have and the demand that I follow that authority to whatever end comes along.   Even to defending that constitution.

And so also protect my family against dark things.   No it's not paranoid, it's being prepared to do the duties my Lord gave me to accomplish.

Do you not think that God will protect your family from dark things?You think that God wants you to be in control of it?

So, don't buy health insurance.   Don't buy car insurance.  Don't buy fire or flood insurance for you home.   Don't have a security alarm on your house. Don't do anything at all to protect yourself.     Do you see how unwise that is?  Don't put anti-virus on your computer.  Don't shred any documents with your social security number  before throwing them in the trash.

Taking measures to protect your property, your health and other interests is not a lack of faith in God.  The Bible puts a high premium on making wise decisions and taking wise precautions to protect your interests.  It doesn't mean you don't trust God to take the initiative to do things that keep you out of danger and thwart would-be thieves, vandals or murderers.

For many people they live in places where they feel a gun is a necessary item for personal protection and that doesn't mean that they don't trust God to protect them.  If anything, they hope that God intervenes before they have to pull a weapon on a criminal.   Or they hope that simply pulling the weapon will be enough of a deterrent.  People I know who own guns see it as a last resort, if all other layers of protection have failed.  The gun owners I know have no desire to pull a gun and if they have to use it, it was because they were left with no choice and they pray that God helps them remain calm and shoot straight and shoot to wound, not to kill.

Having a gun is a personal choice for those who are mentally responsible to have one.As you can see from the news many are not.It is keeping guns out of those hands and I can not see that happening.So we will continue to have these tragedies.

Tragedies of that sort happen with or without gun control. 

Mexico has banned guns for a long time, but they have mass graves out there. 

China bans guns but they have massacres, many at schools, with knives.

It is the evil in mankind that causes the tragedies, not the guns.

[The_Patriot21]

the entire problem with gun control, and why it can never work in the US, while it does have some effectiveness in countries like England and japan, is the borders. England and Japan, are both Islands-surrounded by water, its far harder to smuggle things into them, and neither, were ever, strongly flooded with guns, and in the case of japan, they had all their guns stripped from them. So, they start out with no guns, and live in an area that is very difficult to smuggle guns into. So, gun control, while its still stupid, (because, if japans or englands government turns to tyranny there is no way for the people to effectively fight back) its far easier to keep guns out of the criminals.

 

America, on the other hand, is flooded with guns-Obama has said so himself, there is probably a gun for every single citizen in the US (not saying everyone owns guns, thats just how many are floating out) To get rid of them, your either going to have to find a way to trick everyone out of them-or declare martial law and literally take over the country, which the US does not have the resources to effectively do. We also have 2 countries that border us-and one of them is third world and controlled by drug lords, and we seem totally incapable of controlling that border-which translates into a flood of guns coming unchecked into the country and into the hands of the criminals. So, all gun laws do, is make it harder for those of us who are upstanding citizens who just want to protect ourselves from criminals (and the government) to do so, and easier, for criminals, to prey upon the week.

 

Gun Control has never, does not, and never will, work in the US. And it is completly IDIOTIC to think so.

[missmuffet]

There have actually been fatalities in the news where I live of a person being angry because the person on the two lane highway is going too slow .

[thereselittleflower]

There have actually been fatalities in the news where I live of a person being angry because the person on the two lane highway is going too slow .

And where I live, aggressive driving is getting much worse - and it's just recently too. Everyone in my family has commented on it, asking "have you noticed?"  

I have almost been rear-ended several times in the last week, and this used to hardly ever happen.  Reckless passing and lane changes, high speeds, etc, etc, etc.

[ayin jade]

the entire problem with gun control, and why it can never work in the US, while it does have some effectiveness in countries like England and japan, is the borders. England and Japan, are both Islands-surrounded by water, its far harder to smuggle things into them, and neither, were ever, strongly flooded with guns, and in the case of japan, they had all their guns stripped from them. So, they start out with no guns, and live in an area that is very difficult to smuggle guns into. So, gun control, while its still stupid, (because, if japans or englands government turns to tyranny there is no way for the people to effectively fight back) its far easier to keep guns out of the criminals.

 

America, on the other hand, is flooded with guns-Obama has said so himself, there is probably a gun for every single citizen in the US (not saying everyone owns guns, thats just how many are floating out) To get rid of them, your either going to have to find a way to trick everyone out of them-or declare martial law and literally take over the country, which the US does not have the resources to effectively do. We also have 2 countries that border us-and one of them is third world and controlled by drug lords, and we seem totally incapable of controlling that border-which translates into a flood of guns coming unchecked into the country and into the hands of the criminals. So, all gun laws do, is make it harder for those of us who are upstanding citizens who just want to protect ourselves from criminals (and the government) to do so, and easier, for criminals, to prey upon the week.

 

Gun Control has never, does not, and never will, work in the US. And it is completly IDIOTIC to think so.

And before anyone makes an observation about the source of mexican guns .....

 

The guns with serial numbers can often be traced to the us (17%). But there is a far larger number of guns without serial numbers in mexico that are not from the us. It has been estimated that 83% of the guns in mexico were purchased from non us black market sources. This is determined based on a lack of serial numbers (not ones that were removed) and the overall design of the guns are not ones made in the us. 

[Guest shiloh357]

 

Because progressive liberals don't understand how important owning guns is to the future of this nation....     and those who do are evil and want to destroy this nation and create a communist government....    that's why.

Do you think that is a little paranoid?Where is your faith?

tied up with the common sense God granted me as i grew up.....   and the constitutional government that is the authority of my country that he has allowed us to have and the demand that I follow that authority to whatever end comes along.   Even to defending that constitution.

And so also protect my family against dark things.   No it's not paranoid, it's being prepared to do the duties my Lord gave me to accomplish.

Do you not think that God will protect your family from dark things?You think that God wants you to be in control of it?

So, don't buy health insurance.   Don't buy car insurance.  Don't buy fire or flood insurance for you home.   Don't have a security alarm on your house. Don't do anything at all to protect yourself.     Do you see how unwise that is?  Don't put anti-virus on your computer.  Don't shred any documents with your social security number  before throwing them in the trash.

Taking measures to protect your property, your health and other interests is not a lack of faith in God.  The Bible puts a high premium on making wise decisions and taking wise precautions to protect your interests.  It doesn't mean you don't trust God to take the initiative to do things that keep you out of danger and thwart would-be thieves, vandals or murderers.

For many people they live in places where they feel a gun is a necessary item for personal protection and that doesn't mean that they don't trust God to protect them.  If anything, they hope that God intervenes before they have to pull a weapon on a criminal.   Or they hope that simply pulling the weapon will be enough of a deterrent.  People I know who own guns see it as a last resort, if all other layers of protection have failed.  The gun owners I know have no desire to pull a gun and if they have to use it, it was because they were left with no choice and they pray that God helps them remain calm and shoot straight and shoot to wound, not to kill.

Having a gun is a personal choice for those who are mentally responsible to have one.As you can see from the news many are not.It is keeping guns out of those hands and I can not see that happening.So we will continue to have these tragedies.

"Many" are not mentally responsible?   Why do we assume that every person who commits a gun crime is mentally unstable?   There are evil people out there who kill people not because they have a gun, but because they are evil.  But most gun owners are not mentally unstable are often the ones who stand between good innocent people and the criminals.

 

Yes,that is one of the reasons.It is not the guns fault like I have said before.It is only a piece of metal.It is the hands that gun gets into.

That is correct.   There is no way to know, no way to anticipate what someone might do.  There is no filter that will ever be 100% effective in keeping guns out of the hands  of those who should not have them.     The answer to that is not banning all guns, like the Left thinks it is.   The Left would love to make America a gun-free zone.  

We can do background checks and hopefully keep guns out of the hands of criminals and some crazy people but there is no fool proof way to keep every crazy person or every evil person from getting a gun without destroying the freedoms of every American.