Pope vs. Gunowners

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

These guys are blessing rifles

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The first and second photos are russian. So they are russian orthodox. Not overseen by the pope. The third one is likely russian as well, but Im not sure on that. The fourth one looks greek orthodox to me. But Im not certain of that one either. I have no clue about the last one.

 

These are all Eastern Orthodox.

 

 

Yeah I know

[thereselittleflower]

I really can't believe how easily people buy into propaganda by the media designed to inflame and incite.

 

The Pope said nothing about guns per se.

He was talking about war, weapons of WAR and the devastation WAR causes and people trusting in WAR.

What he said has not been officially translated.   But I came across  a translation and if people really cared to know the truth, they would be looking for a translation too rather than just accept emotionally charged sensationalized media reports.

The ENTIRE CONTEXT of what he said was in regards to WAR and trusting ONLY men.

 

And thank-you, Sara, a lover of theater.  Thank-you.  “I think of the words of Jesus:  to give one’s life.”  We just spoke of this.  “We often feel a sense of distrust in life.”  Yes, because there are situations that make us think:  “But, is it worth the trouble to live life this way?  What can I expect to get from this life?”  We think, in this world, about wars.  At times I have said that we are living through the third world war, but by pieces.  Pieces:  in Europe there’s war, in Africa there’s war, in the Middle East there’s war, in other countries there’s war.  But can I put my trust in a life like that?  Can I trust world leaders?  I, when I go to vote for a candidate, can I trust that he won’t take my country to war?  If you trust only in men, you are lost!  This makes me think of something:  people, leaders, businessmen who say they are Christians, and they manufacture weapons!  This brings up some distrust:  they say they are Christians!  “No, no, Father, I don’t manufacture, no, no….  I only have my savings, my investments in the weapons factories.”  Ah!  And why?  “Because the interest rates are a little higher….”  And even being two-faced is hard cash, today:  to say one thing and to make of it something else.  Hypocrisy….  But let’s take a look at what happened in the last century:  in 1914, 1915, in 1915 exactly.  There was that great tragedy of Armenia.  So many died.  I don’t know the number:  more than a million certainly.  But where were the great powers of the day?  They were watching from elsewhere.  Why?  Because they were interested in the war:  their war!  And those who die, they’re second-class persons, human beings.  Then, in the thirties and forties, the tragedy of the Shoah [Holocaust].  The great powers had the photographs of the railway lines that bore the trains to the concentrations camps, like Auschwitz, to kill Jews, and also Christians, also Gypsies, also homosexuals, to kill them in that place.  But tell me, why didn’t they bomb it?  Interest!  And a little later, almost at the same time, there were the prison camps in Russia:  Stalin….  How many Christians suffered, were killed!  The great powers divided Europe among themselves like a pie.  So many years had to pass before arriving at a kind of “freedom.”  There is that hypocrisy of speaking of peace and manufacturing weapons, and then even of selling the weapons to this one who’s at war with that one, and to that one who’s at war with this one!

http://jimmyakin.com/2015/06/pope-francis-remarks-on-munitions-manufacturers.html

 

Context is everything.

 

 

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

There were other christians (just as orthodox is considered christian) blessing weapons of war

 

 

[thereselittleflower]

 

That doesnt look right lol

 

 

Do you realize that is not a Roman Catholic?

 

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

 

That doesnt look right lol

 

 

Do you realize that is not a Roman Catholic?

 

For the third time I do

 

[thereselittleflower]

 

That doesnt look right lol

 

 

Do you realize that is not a Roman Catholic?

 

For the third time I do

 

ok

 

 

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

Yeah the pope would be condemning the kind of behavior these Eastern Orthodoxes are engaging in, blessing weapons of war.

 

[ayin jade]

I really can't believe how easily people buy into propaganda by the media designed to inflame and incite.

 

The Pope said nothing about guns per se.

He was talking about war, weapons of WAR and the devastation WAR causes and people trusting in WAR.

What he said has not been officially translated.   But I came across  a translation and if people really cared to know the truth, they would be looking for a translation too rather than just accept emotionally charged sensationalized media reports.

The ENTIRE CONTEXT of what he said was in regards to WAR and trusting ONLY men.

 

And thank-you, Sara, a lover of theater.  Thank-you.  “I think of the words of Jesus:  to give one’s life.”  We just spoke of this.  “We often feel a sense of distrust in life.”  Yes, because there are situations that make us think:  “But, is it worth the trouble to live life this way?  What can I expect to get from this life?”  We think, in this world, about wars.  At times I have said that we are living through the third world war, but by pieces.  Pieces:  in Europe there’s war, in Africa there’s war, in the Middle East there’s war, in other countries there’s war.  But can I put my trust in a life like that?  Can I trust world leaders?  I, when I go to vote for a candidate, can I trust that he won’t take my country to war?  If you trust only in men, you are lost!  This makes me think of something:  people, leaders, businessmen who say they are Christians, and they manufacture weapons!  This brings up some distrust:  they say they are Christians!  “No, no, Father, I don’t manufacture, no, no….  I only have my savings, my investments in the weapons factories.”  Ah!  And why?  “Because the interest rates are a little higher….”  And even being two-faced is hard cash, today:  to say one thing and to make of it something else.  Hypocrisy….  But let’s take a look at what happened in the last century:  in 1914, 1915, in 1915 exactly.  There was that great tragedy of Armenia.  So many died.  I don’t know the number:  more than a million certainly.  But where were the great powers of the day?  They were watching from elsewhere.  Why?  Because they were interested in the war:  their war!  And those who die, they’re second-class persons, human beings.  Then, in the thirties and forties, the tragedy of the Shoah [Holocaust].  The great powers had the photographs of the railway lines that bore the trains to the concentrations camps, like Auschwitz, to kill Jews, and also Christians, also Gypsies, also homosexuals, to kill them in that place.  But tell me, why didn’t they bomb it?  Interest!  And a little later, almost at the same time, there were the prison camps in Russia:  Stalin….  How many Christians suffered, were killed!  The great powers divided Europe among themselves like a pie.  So many years had to pass before arriving at a kind of “freedom.”  There is that hypocrisy of speaking of peace and manufacturing weapons, and then even of selling the weapons to this one who’s at war with that one, and to that one who’s at war with this one!

http://jimmyakin.com/2015/06/pope-francis-remarks-on-munitions-manufacturers.html

 

Context is everything.

 

 

Hmm thats not quite what was said. But then what my articles are about is a speech in turin given a few months ago. He does condemn those who support the manufacture of guns. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22/pope-francis-weapons_n_7636416.html

http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-gun-owners-disagree-with-pope-francis-statement-that-they-are-hypocrites-140748/

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pope-francis-those-in-weapons-industry-cant-call-themselves-christians/article/2566739

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/christian.arms.manufacturers.are.hypocrites.says.pope.francis/56843.htm

 

 

 

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

Men have been manufacturing weapons since the beginning. Both the bow and/or a spear was used to hunt beasts (to eat) and to go to war with other peoples. Guns are just another one of the same, to do what the former always did. 

Lots of folks support the manufacture of guns for hunting. Lots of guys love to hunt.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Men have been manufacturing weapons since the beginning. Both the bow and/or a spear was used to hunt beasts (to eat) and to go to war with other peoples. Guns are just another one of the same, to do what the former always did. 

Lots of folks support the manufacture of guns for hunting. Lots of guys love to hunt.

 

it's not about guns for all their varied uses  - it's about weapons of WAR.    

People who hunt don't use sub machine guns or worse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not