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Many of the Jews today who reject Jesus as the Messiah are looking for a messiah that will build the 3rd Temple.

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Revelation 13:18 (AV)

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

In keeping with the warnings not to add to or take away from the scriptures found in the Law (Deuteronomy 4:2), the Prophets (Revelation 22:18-19) the Writings (Proverbs 30:5-6), 666 appears only four times in the entire Bible. Revelation 13:18 and:

Ezra 2:13 (AV) *

13 The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six.

1 Kings 10:14 (AV)

14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold,

2 Chronicles 9:13 (AV)

13 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred and threescore and six talents of gold;

* there was an addition to the clan of Adonikam by the next census (Nehemiah 7:18). Adonikam's name (adonai qum = risen lord which points to the resurrection of Christ but also to the counterfeit christ / false messiah in Revelation 13:3).

Solomon is the crux of the other two verses that have 666 in them. Knowing this makes Revelation 13:18 resound with hints toward the first Temple builder. here is WISDOM let him who hath UNDERSTANDING...

 


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It seems to me there didn't need to be a commandment from God to David or Solomon to build the temple. It was the desire of David, one after God's own heart, to build the temple. Nathan told him, "do as thine heart pleases". However, just as Moses could not enter into the promised land, so David was actually commanded not to build the temple. That fulfillment of that desire was given to Solomon. 

No need for a commandment. It was the righteous desire of a king to build a house for his God. 

This is the same as saying that, I will be a moral person and very charitable, having the best self-righteousness and I am ready vessel  for God to come and make his house in me, that will never work, not only in the new, but also in the old covenant, 

the point to built God a house or a tabernacle it was that it was impossible for them, to be the temple and or the tabernacle of God.

So, opening yourself up to what God has to offer us is not going to work? Not sure I agree with that. David was always looking to please God. There are just 2 incidents in which God was displeased with David: the case with Uriah, and the census of the Israel. 

Correct, they could never build a house to contain God. This was a desire that David had. And just like thereselittleflower pointed out, this act of David pleased God.  


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Here is wisdom (1 Kings 4:29-34).

Let him that hath understanding (1 Kings 4:29).

count the number of the beast**:

for it is the number of a man;

and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

**Both Temples were destroyed on the exact same calendar date (9th of Av) 666 years apart:

586 BCE + 70 CE = 656 solar years or 239,604 days ÷ 360 day prophetic year = 665.56666666

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I dont understand


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The Temple itself is prophetic of the result of tampering with God's word and will be an instrument of the false messiah (antichrist).

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Here is something cool as is found in Adam and Moses (in the first man, and the first covenant) even as they are shown together here

Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Of Adam 


Man was created on Gen 1:31 the sixth 8345 day 3117.

Just take the number of  the day man was created (in Hebrew Gematria)

sixth "שִׁשִּׁי" in the Hebrew Gematria system equals 610

day "יוֹם" in the Hebrew Gematria system equals 56

So sixth day (in Adam) equals 666

The first man (or old man) "in the day" he was created,

or the beginning of his creation on the 6th day shows as being equal to 666

As with Moses (or old covenant) being named with Adam in Romans 5:14 for example

This is also interesting that the end of Moses days (in his own years) is also equal to 666. 

For example, the same years is spoken of in Genesis before the flood

Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Referenced aslo in the man Moses here...

Duet 34:7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died



Hundred "מֵאָה" in the Hebrew Gematria system equals 46

Twenty "עֶשְׂרִים" in the Hebrew Gematria system equals 620

 

An hundred 3967 twenty years  6242 Equals 666

You can see the figure the same here, like a pattern shown in the numbers found in Man (or Adam's) creation day and Moses death in years, as well as the talents and the weight of  talents of gold brought to Solomon (even as by the Queen of Sheba) 

1Kings 10:10  And she gave the king an hundred and twenty talents of gold

Then the sum weight of the talents of gold that come to him is recorded four verses after

1King10:14 Now the weight of the gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold,

This is also cool because if you run the two words "here wisdom" comes up in all of the same too, 

here wisdom.png

 

The queen of the south (who is Sheba) means "seven" or "an oath" 

There are others ofcourse, but Adam (6 day) and Moses 120 (years) both equal the same number 666 in Hebrew Gematria and yet the same as is shown in what the queen of the south gave Solomon in  120 talents of silver which weight is also written to be 666 there as well

I just look at it still and add to it every once and awhile is all. 

Acts 1:15 speaks of the number of disciples there also which again was around 120 the day of pentacost, just interesting is all.

 


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God conceded to the building of the Temple

John,

Contrary to Scripture, you are trying to suggest that God reluctantly agreed to the building of the Temple.  Once again Scripture proves that your view is incorrect (1 Chronicles 22:9-11):

9 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days.

10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and Iwill be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.

11 Now, my son, the LORD be with thee; and prosper thou, and build the house of the LORD thy God, as he hath said of thee.


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Posted (edited)

Then why the scriptures that indicate God was not keen on the idea?

2 Chronicles 6:5–6 (AV)

5 Since the day that I brought forth my people out of the land of Egypt I chose no city among all the tribes of Israel to build an house in, that my name might be there; neither chose I any man to be a ruler over my people Israel*:

6 But I have chosen Jerusalem, that my name might be there; and have chosen David to be over my people Israel.

(no mention of a house for his name)

2 Samuel 7:5–7 (AV)

5 Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the LORD, Shalt thou build me an house for me to dwell in?

6 Whereas I have not dwelt in any house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle.

7 In all the places wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spake I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people Israel, saying, Why build ye not me an house of cedar?

Isaiah 66:1–2 (AV)

1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

Why the mention in Zechariah about the Temple God wanted built in the first place?

Zechariah 6:12–13 (AV)

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

Why the omission of the temple in:

Hebrews 8:5 (AV)

5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

The mobile, organic tabernacle (as opposed to the lifeless, immobile temple) was prescribed by God to be built. It represented among other things the prophetic depiction of the Messiah (God incarnate) and of the future believers (indwelt by the Spirit of God).

1 Corinthians 3:16 (AV)

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

   

Ezra, you and those who do not want to face the biblical text repeat scriptures I already showed were David's misinterpretation of what God said in 2 Samuel 7:5-14.

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Then why the scriptures that indicate God was not keen on the idea?

2 Chronicles 6:5–6 (AV)

5 Since the day that I brought forth my people out of the land of Egypt I chose no city among all the tribes of Israel to build an house in, that my name might be there; neither chose I any man to be a ruler over my people Israel*:

6 But I have chosen Jerusalem, that my name might be there; and have chosen David to be over my people Israel.

(no mention of a house for his name)

2 Samuel 7:5–7 (AV)

5 Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the LORD, Shalt thou build me an house for me to dwell in?

6 Whereas I have not dwelt in any house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle.

7 In all the places wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spake I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people Israel, saying, Why build ye not me an house of cedar?

Isaiah 66:1–2 (AV)

1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

Why the mention in Zechariah about the Temple God wanted built in the first place?

Zechariah 6:12–13 (AV)

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

Why the omission of the temple in:

Hebrews 8:5 (AV)

5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

The mobile, organic tabernacle (as opposed to the lifeless, immobile temple) was prescribed by God to be built. It represented among other things the prophetic depiction of the Messiah (God incarnate) and of the future believers (indwelt by the Spirit of God).

1 Corinthians 3:16 (AV)

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

   

Ezra, you and those who do not want to face the biblical text repeat scriptures I already showed were David's misinterpretation of what God said in 2 Samuel 7:5-14.

Repeating something over and over does not change whether it is right or wrong.Repeating something over and over does not change whether it is right or wrong.Repeating something over and over does not change whether it is right or wrong.Repeating something over and over does not change whether it is right or wrong.Repeating something over and over does not change whether it is right or wrong.Repeating something over and over does not change whether it is right or wrong.Repeating something over and over does not change whether it is right or wrong.Repeating something over and over does not change whether it is right or wrong.

If God wasn't keen on the idea, then why did He say this?

1 Kings 8
18"But the LORD said ... 'Because it was in your heart to build a house for My name, you did well that it was in your heart.'

 

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