Preachers and wearing a hat or ball caps during preaching..

[kwikphilly]

Blessings Angels....

      I did not read all the replies so if someone else said the same ,eh?

I think I understand where you are coming from,it is not really about what "they' are doing but where you feel "your" heart & mind are,,,,,,lol,I often ask myself the same Sis,,,,,,,,I am old school,I do think a gentleman should remove his hat indoors as a show of respect(especially mixed company) & that really has nothing to do with anything but social etiquette ,,,,,,,,Personally ,I would really like to see this practice used today,,,,,,

 I'm not sure I am the best person to ask this question (about whether they should or should not),,,,I do not care to see Preachers/Pastors  wearing jeans & jerseys either,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so a hat would be out of the question imo,I believe if you are standing there as a man of God then you should look like you are representing the King of kings,,,,,,,,

  More importantly,,,,,,,,I think as we are sitting in those pews we should not be focused on anything but the Lord ,,,,,,we are there to worship God Almighty & to hear His Word,,,,,,,,,,,,,we cannot let what anyone does or does not do,wears or does not wear,distract us from our reason for being there,,,,,,,,the enemy will do his best to remind us that the pastor looks like he is at a baseball game,the lady next to us is texting,the young girl in the back row has on a very short skirt etc...........that is between them & God,we don't have to like it,we are only accountable for ourselves,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we must set our mind on things ABOVE ,guard our hearts & draw near our Father,,,,,,,,,

                              Love you Angel,,,,hope that is encouraging,Glory to God!!!!                                With love-in Christ,Kwik

[angels4u]

Blessings Angels....

      I did not read all the replies so if someone else said the same ,eh?

I think I understand where you are coming from,it is not really about what "they' are doing but where you feel "your" heart & mind are,,,,,,lol,I often ask myself the same Sis,,,,,,,,I am old school,I do think a gentleman should remove his hat indoors as a show of respect(especially mixed company) & that really has nothing to do with anything but social etiquette ,,,,,,,,Personally ,I would really like to see this practice used today,,,,,,

 I'm not sure I am the best person to ask this question (about whether they should or should not),,,,I do not care to see Preachers/Pastors  wearing jeans & jerseys either,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so a hat would be out of the question imo,I believe if you are standing there as a man of God then you should look like you are representing the King of kings,,,,,,,,

  More importantly,,,,,,,,I think as we are sitting in those pews we should not be focused on anything but the Lord ,,,,,,we are there to worship God Almighty & to hear His Word,,,,,,,,,,,,,we cannot let what anyone does or does not do,wears or does not wear,distract us from our reason for being there,,,,,,,,the enemy will do his best to remind us that the pastor looks like he is at a baseball game,the lady next to us is texting,the young girl in the back row has on a very short skirt etc...........that is between them & God,we don't have to like it,we are only accountable for ourselves,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we must set our mind on things ABOVE ,guard our hearts & draw near our Father,,,,,,,,,

                              Love you Angel,,,,hope that is encouraging,Glory to God!!!!                                With love-in Christ,Kwik

Well Kwik ,thanks for your response the thing is I found the preacher did distract me with wearing the  winter hat and I could tell that he was very conscience of wearing it, I noticed that he pulled it straight a couple of times as the hat didn't stay placed very well..lol he even threw it on the floor at a certain time and placed it later again on his head after the sermon ,I  don't think he will wear this again..

Another preacher is wearing a ball cap...he's maybe only in his twenties...but I can tell the Lord is using him already in a powerful way..

But I still think it's legalistic to judge as God looks at the inside of us  , who are we to judge?

I rather he did not wearing that ridiculous thing but to really judge him for it?

[Guest shiloh357]

What are you opinions on this without copying from igotquestions?

Do you think it's legalistic to believe they can't wear a hat or backwards ball cap during preaching the sermon?

Not at all. Men are forbidden to cover their heads during worship (1 Cor 11:4,7), and wearing a ball cap backwards is even worse than wearing a hat while preaching. The title of the sermon would be "I have absolutely no regard for you, for Scripture, or for God".  And let's stop using the term "legalistic" in these matters. If a preacher has no clue about Christian decorum and order in worship, he has no business preaching. and is yet a novice.

Yes, but this needs to be understood in the light of what was happening, which precipitated Paul's comments.   Corinth was a city that was rife with male prostitution.  Males prostitutes were what we might refer to as "trans-sexuals,"  as they did what was possible in that day and age to appear as women in order to attract male clients.

Corinth was a port city and as such, prostitution was a huge business out by where the ships docked.  Sailors who had been out on the sea for weeks, whose sexual appetite was raging and were not all that particular about who they could find to satisfy that appetite were common and the male prostitutes exploited that to their advantage.   They wore their hair long and in an effeminate style like women and they wore the veils that women wore over their heads in addition to other things to attract the sailors who would pay big $$$  for their service.

The men of the church at Corinth were being saved out of that culture and it was to that perverted cultural practice that Paul is speaking to.    Paul is not making a doctrinal statement to the church at large all over the world; this is not a general epistle.   He is addressing an issue that  is particularly problematic to the church at Corinth.  And he is not talking about wearing hats.  

The believers at Corinth were struggling with how to relate to their former way of life and the surrounding intensely perverted culture of Corinth and the temptation to vacillate  back and forth was huge.  These were not seasoned, long-time believers.  These were people who had issues as to just how much of their old culture they were allowed to hang on to and just how much they had to give up. 

That's why they were getting drunk at the Lord's Supper.  They were former pagans, and in that culture, drunkenness wasn't a keg party.  It was how they worshipped their pagan gods.   The Corinthians were trying worship God with the same drunkenness that they had employed before they were saved. The letter of I Corinthians is written, in part, to address the pagan practices they need to abandon as believers.

So the head covering issue doesn't mean that it is a sin to worship God with a covered head.  That is not intrinsically sinful at all, nor is it disrespectful.  In fact, from a Hebraic mindset, it was a sign that one recognized the sovereign reign of God over their lives.   The issue with the head covering had to do with men of the congregation cutting their hair and abandoning the veil they had used before.   Wearing the veil with the long hair would be a stumbling block to men who had just gotten saved.  

The same issue applies to the women.  Some of the converts were priestesses from the Oracles of Delphi who heads were shaved and Paul instructs them to have their heads covered with the veil presumably until their hair grows back out.

We try to interpret these passages in a vacuum of culture and history and it really does us a disservice in understanding the point Paul is making.  This passage has been used to heap condemnation on men who have hair that goes down below the collar and it is used to heap condemnation on women who have hair that is not long.  That completely misses the point that Paul was making. 

[leftoverture]

Exactly,  Shiloh. Well stated.

[angels4u]

What are you opinions on this without copying from igotquestions?

Do you think it's legalistic to believe they can't wear a hat or backwards ball cap during preaching the sermon?

Not at all. Men are forbidden to cover their heads during worship (1 Cor 11:4,7), and wearing a ball cap backwards is even worse than wearing a hat while preaching. The title of the sermon would be "I have absolutely no regard for you, for Scripture, or for God".  And let's stop using the term "legalistic" in these matters. If a preacher has no clue about Christian decorum and order in worship, he has no business preaching. and is yet a novice.

Yes, but this needs to be understood in the light of what was happening, which precipitated Paul's comments.   Corinth was a city that was rife with male prostitution.  Males prostitutes were what we might refer to as "trans-sexuals,"  as they did what was possible in that day and age to appear as women in order to attract male clients.

Corinth was a port city and as such, prostitution was a huge business out by where the ships docked.  Sailors who had been out on the sea for weeks, whose sexual appetite was raging and were not all that particular about who they could find to satisfy that appetite were common and the male prostitutes exploited that to their advantage.   They wore their hair long and in an effeminate style like women and they wore the veils that women wore over their heads in addition to other things to attract the sailors who would pay big $$$  for their service.

The men of the church at Corinth were being saved out of that culture and it was to that perverted cultural practice that Paul is speaking to.    Paul is not making a doctrinal statement to the church at large all over the world; this is not a general epistle.   He is addressing an issue that  is particularly problematic to the church at Corinth.  And he is not talking about wearing hats.  

The believers at Corinth were struggling with how to relate to their former way of life and the surrounding intensely perverted culture of Corinth and the temptation to vacillate  back and forth was huge.  These were not seasoned, long-time believers.  These were people who had issues as to just how much of their old culture they were allowed to hang on to and just how much they had to give up. 

That's why they were getting drunk at the Lord's Supper.  They were former pagans, and in that culture, drunkenness wasn't a keg party.  It was how they worshipped their pagan gods.   The Corinthians were trying worship God with the same drunkenness that they had employed before they were saved. The letter of I Corinthians is written, in part, to address the pagan practices they need to abandon as believers.

So the head covering issue doesn't mean that it is a sin to worship God with a covered head.  That is not intrinsically sinful at all, nor is it disrespectful.  In fact, from a Hebraic mindset, it was a sign that one recognized the sovereign reign of God over their lives.   The issue with the head covering had to do with men of the congregation cutting their hair and abandoning the veil they had used before.   Wearing the veil with the long hair would be a stumbling block to men who had just gotten saved.  

The same issue applies to the women.  Some of the converts were priestesses from the Oracles of Delphi who heads were shaved and Paul instructs them to have their heads covered with the veil presumably until their hair grows back out.

We try to interpret these passages in a vacuum of culture and history and it really does us a disservice in understanding the point Paul is making.  This passage has been used to heap condemnation on men who have hair that goes down below the collar and it is used to heap condemnation on women who have hair that is not long.  That completely misses the point that Paul was making. 

Very well said Shiloh but somehow I wonder if this preacher is be best man in somebodies wedding would he still wear that hat? He is standing before the Kings of Kings ...

I could probably ask him what he would do if he is asked to be a best man in his friends wedding ...?

Would that be legalistic?..

I doubt he would do a funeral wearing a ball cap?

[kwikphilly]

Blessings Sis

     I rather he did not wearing that ridiculous thing but to really judge him for it?                                            posted by angels4u

Exactly my point,,,,,but then again I knew we were on the same page,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,God Bless you Sweet child of God!

                                                                                                                                                          With love-in Christ,Kwik

BTW,very funny story-lol    

[angels4u]

Blessings Sis

     I rather he did not wearing that ridiculous thing but to really judge him for it?                                            posted by angels4u

Exactly my point,,,,,but then again I knew we were on the same page,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,God Bless you Sweet child of God!

                                                                                                                                                          With love-in Christ,Kwik

BTW,very funny story-lol    

It sort of is funny but little annoying at the same time..:)

[Guest shiloh357]

What are you opinions on this without copying from igotquestions?

Do you think it's legalistic to believe they can't wear a hat or backwards ball cap during preaching the sermon?

Not at all. Men are forbidden to cover their heads during worship (1 Cor 11:4,7), and wearing a ball cap backwards is even worse than wearing a hat while preaching. The title of the sermon would be "I have absolutely no regard for you, for Scripture, or for God".  And let's stop using the term "legalistic" in these matters. If a preacher has no clue about Christian decorum and order in worship, he has no business preaching. and is yet a novice.

Yes, but this needs to be understood in the light of what was happening, which precipitated Paul's comments.   Corinth was a city that was rife with male prostitution.  Males prostitutes were what we might refer to as "trans-sexuals,"  as they did what was possible in that day and age to appear as women in order to attract male clients.

Corinth was a port city and as such, prostitution was a huge business out by where the ships docked.  Sailors who had been out on the sea for weeks, whose sexual appetite was raging and were not all that particular about who they could find to satisfy that appetite were common and the male prostitutes exploited that to their advantage.   They wore their hair long and in an effeminate style like women and they wore the veils that women wore over their heads in addition to other things to attract the sailors who would pay big $$$  for their service.

The men of the church at Corinth were being saved out of that culture and it was to that perverted cultural practice that Paul is speaking to.    Paul is not making a doctrinal statement to the church at large all over the world; this is not a general epistle.   He is addressing an issue that  is particularly problematic to the church at Corinth.  And he is not talking about wearing hats.  

The believers at Corinth were struggling with how to relate to their former way of life and the surrounding intensely perverted culture of Corinth and the temptation to vacillate  back and forth was huge.  These were not seasoned, long-time believers.  These were people who had issues as to just how much of their old culture they were allowed to hang on to and just how much they had to give up. 

That's why they were getting drunk at the Lord's Supper.  They were former pagans, and in that culture, drunkenness wasn't a keg party.  It was how they worshipped their pagan gods.   The Corinthians were trying worship God with the same drunkenness that they had employed before they were saved. The letter of I Corinthians is written, in part, to address the pagan practices they need to abandon as believers.

So the head covering issue doesn't mean that it is a sin to worship God with a covered head.  That is not intrinsically sinful at all, nor is it disrespectful.  In fact, from a Hebraic mindset, it was a sign that one recognized the sovereign reign of God over their lives.   The issue with the head covering had to do with men of the congregation cutting their hair and abandoning the veil they had used before.   Wearing the veil with the long hair would be a stumbling block to men who had just gotten saved.  

The same issue applies to the women.  Some of the converts were priestesses from the Oracles of Delphi who heads were shaved and Paul instructs them to have their heads covered with the veil presumably until their hair grows back out.

We try to interpret these passages in a vacuum of culture and history and it really does us a disservice in understanding the point Paul is making.  This passage has been used to heap condemnation on men who have hair that goes down below the collar and it is used to heap condemnation on women who have hair that is not long.  That completely misses the point that Paul was making. 

Very well said Shiloh but somehow I wonder if this preacher is be best man in somebodies wedding would he still wear that hat? He is standing before the Kings of Kings ...

I could probably ask him what he would do if he is asked to be a best man in his friends wedding ...?

Would that be legalistic?..

I doubt he would do a funeral wearing a ball cap?

To me, the issue about wearing a hat is more about decorum than anything else.    There may be culture where wearing a hat is appropriate.  

But in a western mainstream Christian wedding, it would be inappropriate just as a matter of respect for how things are done.  

I would not wear a hat in church, just as there are other things I would not wear in church not only out of a sense of decorum, but also from the sense that I am formally coming before the Most Dread Sovereign of the Universe.   

I think it is problematic when we allow familiarity to morph into flippancy.   God allows us some latitude in familiarity.  He doesn't want worship that doesn't come from the heart and it is not that important, necessarily if you are wearing a three-piece suit.   But at the same time, we need a healthy reminder that we are not hanging out with our buddy.   God isn't our buddy.  He is our king and we need to come before Him with a healthy respect and reverence that we OWE Him.  

If we received an invitation to see the Queen of England, we would not show up in just anything old thing.  We would pay attention to protocol and know what to wear and how to behave.

Yet for some reason, you see people showing up to church in clothes that are too tight, too revealing and/or they show up in tank tops and flip flops and their coffee mug and put their feet up on the seat in front of them surf the net on their iPhone during the service.    There needs to be healthy balance between familiarity and holy reverence for our King.

[Guest]

Of course, it is possible for a man to wear a baseball cap in church and yet have a heart full of reverence and awe for the Lord. And it is also possible for a man to remove his hat in church yet disdain God in his soul. God sees the heart. But the issue, sometimes, is what our actions communicate to others; people cannot see our hearts, so we must often show them our respect by what we do.

I did read exactly the same word in igotquestions?

Of course, it is possible for a man to wear a baseball cap in church and yet have a heart full of reverence and awe for the Lord. And it is also possible for a man to remove his hat in church yet disdain God in his soul. God sees the heart. But the issue, sometimes, is what our actions communicate to others; people cannot see our hearts, so we must often show them our respect by what we do.
http://www.gotquestions.org/hats-in-church.html

What if your preacher is no punk but is wearing a baseball cap backwards? Or what if he wears a winter hat?

Everyone, at some point, forgets to link back to an article they use to answer a question. How does what you have done in regards to bopeep contribute to the discussion or was it just meant to embarrass or demean her?

[angels4u]

block to men who had just gotten saved.  

The same issue applies to the women.  Some of the converts were priestesses from the Oracles of Delphi who heads were shaved and Paul instructs them to have their heads covered with the veil presumably until their hair grows back out.

We try to interpret these passages in a vacuum of culture and history and it really does us a disservice in understanding the point Paul is making.  This passage has been used to heap condemnation on men who have hair that goes down below the collar and it is used to heap condemnation on women who have hair that is not long.  That completely misses the point that Paul was making. 

Very well said Shiloh but somehow I wonder if this preacher is be best man in somebodies wedding would he still wear that hat? He is standing before the Kings of Kings ...

I could probably ask him what he would do if he is asked to be a best man in his friends wedding ...?

Would that be legalistic?..

I doubt he would do a funeral wearing a ball cap?

To me, the issue about wearing a hat is more about decorum than anything else.    There may be culture where wearing a hat is appropriate.  

But in a western mainstream Christian wedding, it would be inappropriate just as a matter of respect for how things are done.  

I would not wear a hat in church, just as there are other things I would not wear in church not only out of a sense of decorum, but also from the sense that I am formally coming before the Most Dread Sovereign of the Universe.   

I think it is problematic when we allow familiarity to morph into flippancy.   God allows us some latitude in familiarity.  He doesn't want worship that doesn't come from the heart and it is not that important, necessarily if you are wearing a three-piece suit.   But at the same time, we need a healthy reminder that we are not hanging out with our buddy.   God isn't our buddy.  He is our king and we need to come before Him with a healthy respect and reverence that we OWE Him.  

If we received an invitation to see the Queen of England, we would not show up in just anything old thing.  We would pay attention to protocol and know what to wear and how to behave.

Yet for some reason, you see people showing up to church in clothes that are too tight, too revealing and/or they show up in tank tops and flip flops and their coffee mug and put their feet up on the seat in front of them surf the net on their iPhone during the service.    There needs to be healthy balance between familiarity and holy reverence for our King.

 

What are you opinions on this without copying from igotquestions?

Do you think it's legalistic to believe they can't wear a hat or backwards ball cap during preaching the sermon?

Not at all. Men are forbidden to cover their heads during worship (1 Cor 11:4,7), and wearing a ball cap backwards is even worse than wearing a hat while preaching. The title of the sermon would be "I have absolutely no regard for you, for Scripture, or for God".  And let's stop using the term "legalistic" in these matters. If a preacher has no clue about Christian decorum and order in worship, he has no business preaching. and is yet a novice.

Yes, but this needs to be understood in the light of what was happening, which precipitated Paul's comments.   Corinth was a city that was rife with male prostitution.  Males prostitutes were what we might refer to as "trans-sexuals,"  as they did what was possible in that day and age to appear as women in order to attract male clients.

Corinth was a port city and as such, prostitution was a huge business out by where the ships docked.  Sailors who had been out on the sea for weeks, whose sexual appetite was raging and were not all that particular about who they could find to satisfy that appetite were common and the male prostitutes exploited that to their advantage.   They wore their hair long and in an effeminate style like women and they wore the veils that women wore over their heads in addition to other things to attract the sailors who would pay big $$$  for their service.

The men of the church at Corinth were being saved out of that culture and it was to that perverted cultural practice that Paul is speaking to.    Paul is not making a doctrinal statement to the church at large all over the world; this is not a general epistle.   He is addressing an issue that  is particularly problematic to the church at Corinth.  And he is not talking about wearing hats.  

The believers at Corinth were struggling with how to relate to their former way of life and the surrounding intensely perverted culture of Corinth and the temptation to vacillate  back and forth was huge.  These were not seasoned, long-time believers.  These were people who had issues as to just how much of their old culture they were allowed to hang on to and just how much they had to give up. 

That's why they were getting drunk at the Lord's Supper.  They were former pagans, and in that culture, drunkenness wasn't a keg party.  It was how they worshipped their pagan gods.   The Corinthians were trying worship God with the same drunkenness that they had employed before they were saved. The letter of I Corinthians is written, in part, to address the pagan practices they need to abandon as believers.

So the head covering issue doesn't mean that it is a sin to worship God with a covered head.  That is not intrinsically sinful at all, nor is it disrespectful.  In fact, from a Hebraic mindset, it was a sign that one recognized the sovereign reign of God over their lives.   The issue with the head covering had to do with men of the congregation cutting their hair and abandoning the veil they had used before.   Wearing the veil with the long hair would be a stumbling block to men who had just gotten saved.  

The same issue applies to the women.  Some of the converts were priestesses from the Oracles of Delphi who heads were shaved and Paul instructs them to have their heads covered with the veil presumably until their hair grows back out.

We try to interpret these passages in a vacuum of culture and history and it really does us a disservice in understanding the point Paul is making.  This passage has been used to heap condemnation on men who have hair that goes down below the collar and it is used to heap condemnation on women who have hair that is not long.  That completely misses the point that Paul was making. 

Very well said Shiloh but somehow I wonder if this preacher is be best man in somebodies wedding would he still wear that hat? He is standing before the Kings of Kings ...

I could probably ask him what he would do if he is asked to be a best man in his friends wedding ...?

Would that be legalistic?..

I doubt he would do a funeral wearing a ball cap?

To me, the issue about wearing a hat is more about decorum than anything else.    There may be culture where wearing a hat is appropriate.  

But in a western mainstream Christian wedding, it would be inappropriate just as a matter of respect for how things are done.  

I would not wear a hat in church, just as there are other things I would not wear in church not only out of a sense of decorum, but also from the sense that I am formally coming before the Most Dread Sovereign of the Universe.   

I think it is problematic when we allow familiarity to morph into flippancy.   God allows us some latitude in familiarity.  He doesn't want worship that doesn't come from the heart and it is not that important, necessarily if you are wearing a three-piece suit.   But at the same time, we need a healthy reminder that we are not hanging out with our buddy.   God isn't our buddy.  He is our king and we need to come before Him with a healthy respect and reverence that we OWE Him.  

If we received an invitation to see the Queen of England, we would not show up in just anything old thing.  We would pay attention to protocol and know what to wear and how to behave.

Yet for some reason, you see people showing up to church in clothes that are too tight, too revealing and/or they show up in tank tops and flip flops and their coffee mug and put their feet up on the seat in front of them surf the net on their iPhone during the service.    There needs to be healthy balance between familiarity and holy reverence for our King.

Agree with you for 100%..:)

Actually some  sometimes have coffee cups and wear flip flops by times...the church is full of sinners ...lol

Nobody will think anything of it if people walk in with coffee..  

 

 

No Rick,I would do nothing to embarress anybody,I'm sorry if you think I did..and hope Bopeep you didn't see it like that? All I was asking for to a answer the question  without the answer from igotquestions..:) because I would like to hear what other people HERE  were thinking of this..

Edited November 9, 2015 by angels4u