Dietary restrictions before and after the Fall

[other one]

3 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

its about the gentiles but not food, it is a picture to describe about making a point, please read it , again, and you will see,

Are you really saying that God is using something that is not true to make a point.....    really....

[SINNERSAVED]

2 minutes ago, other one said:

Are you really saying that God is using something that is not true to make a point.....    really....

no you are saying that, ? please read the acts 10 AND 11, FOR YOUR SELF SLOWLY AND YOU WILL SEE IT WAS TO SHOW SOMETHING, TO UNDERSTAND BUT IT WAS A EXAMPLE, OF SOMETHING BUT NOT OF THAT EXAMPLE, ?  sorry my caps got locked on,,i am not yelling, promise,

 and what you said about the accident , funny guy, you are ,lol

[other one]

I say that God told Noah he could eat whatever, and I say that he was reverting back to that when he was talking to Paul....

That's my story and it will be that way for breakfast in the morning.

 

The things you are posting lately remind me of what Herbert Armstrong was teaching when I was involved with the World Wide Church of God....  I hope you are not with those people....

[SINNERSAVED]

3 minutes ago, other one said:

I say that God told Noah he could eat whatever, and I say that he was reverting back to that when he was talking to Paul....

That's my story and it will be that way for breakfast in the morning.

 

The things you are posting lately remind me of what Herbert Armstrong was teaching when I was involved with the World Wide Church of God....  I hope you are not with those people....

God did not allow noah to eat any animals while on the ark, fact,

 now my brother you say I am writing or saying things like Herbert Armstrong, I do not know who he is ?, but is that a good thing or bad thing, for what I am posting is just straight scripture and Gods word given to us in the bible,

 so from the church of God, Herbert, was he or not a good guy, ? did he tell scripture from the bible, was he sharing truth and scripture ?blessing and peace

[other one]

15 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

God did not allow noah to eat any animals while on the ark, fact,

 now my brother you say I am writing or saying things like Herbert Armstrong, I do not know who he is ?, but is that a good thing or bad thing, for what I am posting is just straight scripture and Gods word given to us in the bible,

 so from the church of God, Herbert, was he or not a good guy, ? did he tell scripture from the bible, was he sharing truth and scripture ?blessing and peace

and what did he tell them when they left the ark.....   I think that's what you need to find.....    

 

and No, Herbert was not one of the good guys in my personal opinion...    but lets not run down a dead man.

[Ezra]

9 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

 so from the church of God, Herbert, was he or not a good guy, ? did he tell scripture from the bible, was he sharing truth and scripture ?blessing and peace

Since Herbert Armstrong was a false teacher, looks like you have fallen for his teachings hook, line, and sinker.

[Qnts2]

16 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

I totally agree with you,!  Gentiles ate what ever they wanted . like us today, we eat everything and some things I did not even think ,

 could or should be eaten, but any way yes, it was about fellowshipping with Gentiles but does not say to eat unclean animals, for the Gentiles were considered unclean and common., but it does not mean in any way he violated or broke the dietary law,

 if you go to a house and they serve shell fish , and you are allergic to shell fish as I am, you fellowship and hang out but I don't eat it, for I cannot , but then there is always a alternative, this is simple, and there was always bread , and simple things,

 and besides why would the apostles agree to break rules to , share Gods commandments with them and Gods laws,

 that would not happen, so I think I have made my point clear, would you agree , ? I am more then willing to say if I am wrong, to say I am wrong, , for this is about truth and learning from each other, this is how I have learned a lot by listening and researching ,

 thank you

No, I do not agree. Peter when challenged about eating unclean food, never responded that he ate only bread. He told about the vision where he saw a sheet with unclean things and God told him to eat. That was his explanation when challenged about eating with Gentiles, not that he avoided eating anything unclean.

Gentiles who did not live in Israel were allowed to eat unclean things as the Mosaic food laws were only given to the children of Israel and those Gentiles living in Israel. And even the Gentiles who lived in Israel could eat an animal which died of itself while the children of Israel were not allowed to eat an animal which died of itself. So, the Apostles would not tell the Gentiles to keep the commands which only applied to children of Israel. The big debate about Gentiles needing to be circumcised (becoming children of Israel), was also about the law as if a Gentile was ritually circumcised they were obligating themselves to the Mosaic law. The decision in the Jerusalem council was that Gentiles were to remain uncircumcised and not obligated to the Mosaic law. 

  Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

Ritual circumcision and the obligation to keep the law are tied together in the Mosaic law and the NT. Because God accepted Gentiles while they were uncircumcised (not Jewish), then Gentiles do not need to be circumcised and therefore do not need to keep the Mosaic law concerning food.

[SINNERSAVED]

4 hours ago, Qnts2 said:

No, I do not agree. Peter when challenged about eating unclean food, never responded that he ate only bread. He told about the vision where he saw a sheet with unclean things and God told him to eat. That was his explanation when challenged about eating with Gentiles, not that he avoided eating anything unclean.

Gentiles who did not live in Israel were allowed to eat unclean things as the Mosaic food laws were only given to the children of Israel and those Gentiles living in Israel. And even the Gentiles who lived in Israel could eat an animal which died of itself while the children of Israel were not allowed to eat an animal which died of itself. So, the Apostles would not tell the Gentiles to keep the commands which only applied to children of Israel. The big debate about Gentiles needing to be circumcised (becoming children of Israel), was also about the law as if a Gentile was ritually circumcised they were obligating themselves to the Mosaic law. The decision in the Jerusalem council was that Gentiles were to remain uncircumcised and not obligated to the Mosaic law. 

  Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

Ritual circumcision and the obligation to keep the law are tied together in the Mosaic law and the NT. Because God accepted Gentiles while they were uncircumcised (not Jewish), then Gentiles do not need to be circumcised and therefore do not need to keep the Mosaic law concerning food.

Hello Qnts2, and blessings to you,

 okay lets break down what I said above and see what , we are both talking about so we are on the same page

 I agree the Gentiles was not under the jewish  dietary law, from what we understand, and so

 when peter went to the house of the Gentile, I believe that He would not have violated the dietary law, as for they are the ambassadors of God, and they are not in the business of breaking the law, or the prophets as Jesus sated , not to take away anything,

so I believe they may have had bread or something other then what would violate the rules,

they were there to share the gospel the good news, and to let them know of Jesus,

as far as circumcision , the jews followed thatnd it was up to the Gentiles if they decided to do it also ,

 so we have, that now if you are or you are not then its not a deal, according to scripture, for the scriptures tell us so , directly , but of the dietary laws, it does not,

 so what I am saying, as a believer and a Gentile, and I am not  jewish   ? BUT I choose to follow what God has instructed the people ,in the Torah, to the people of that time, as if He was talking to me, to today as a believer,!!!

His people of what He says of what He is okay with ,and what He is not okay with ,is still valid, today , and do not let the covenants or old testament or new testaments get in the way of this, for it puts up a WALL between God  the law, and the obedience and the faith of the believer, and many place that stumbling blocks up, and do not follow the spirit of the law, ,

it is like mixing oil and water it does not mix,

 and so , hear me out for many may think I am teaching something NEW, and a doctrine of DEVILS, BUT I am not ,I am a sinner saved by grace following the old testament and the word of God as best as I can, not out of a burden of works ? God forbid, ,then I would not be believing of the finished work on the cross by Yashua, and so , I am not confused, for God is not a God of confusion, bu8t we see that the past is for a example for us in the future and for the law,s,  many will refuse to reason and understand, !

by being obedient to the call of God through the Holy spirit , we are to present our selves holy and worthy to be followers of God,

and if someone rejects that, then , here is another saying, Jesus said if you love your mother , father , son , daughter, husband , or wife more then me ,then you cannot be  a follower of me, for God is first,

 so were do we draw a line, of what we believe and what others say is holy and not holy,

 we are the temples and the spirit dwells with in us, and we being driven and guided by the holy spirit ,this,  brings us into communion with God to be pleasing and righteous in His sight, and so we do all that we can from our faith to be in tuned with God, and this is to include , discipline of the body soul ,heart and mind,

 if it was not so, ? then we would not have to put on the full armor of God that helps us and protects us, from the lawless one and the evil darts, the false doctrines the man made laws and traditions, and the life that hates us, for following the name of yeshua,

thank you

[appy]

SINNERSAVED said:

Did you know that the scripture given acts 10 , has nothing to really do about food, but a example of making a point, ?

for gentiles coming into the fold ? and that scripture that I provided was not read, for it would be God talking and instructing ?

 

Remember, it was Jesus who declared all foods clean.

 

Mark 7:18 thru 20

And He said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.) And He was saying, "That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.

 

Jesus was reminding Peter of this as well as showing Peter that he also should not think of anyone as unclean. If the believers were required to keep all of the dietary laws, why did the apostles send Judas and Silas with a letter to the gentile church that if they did the 4 things listed, they were doing well? Nothing about  keeping the dietary laws.

 

Acts 15:28 and 29

"For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials: that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell."

 

And why does Paul in his letter to Timothy say that abstaining from foods was a deceitful doctrine?

 

1 Timothy 4 : 1 thru 5

But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron. Men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude. For it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.

[SINNERSAVED]

On ‎3‎/‎17‎/‎2016 at 7:56 AM, Ezra said:

Since Herbert Armstrong was a false teacher, looks like you have fallen for his teachings hook, line, and sinker.

When a brother or sister, has not come to the approval of another, is that the time we just write them off, ?

you have not answered my question , in stead you have belittled me, to be below you , I was asking a question, what is wrong you ?

 you say I am a false teacher?, so what does he preach that makes him false,? for I see we cannot agree, on what truth and what is false ?

 I am asking in understanding ,  not in spike ?