christian multiplication

[Guest shiloh357]

6 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

I am simply asking questions that I think need to be asked, and they have nothing to do with any particular church or denomination.

My questions are based in history and historical events and the true and real reasons for those events.

What if we, as christians had never caved to the pressure and agenda of the atheistic eugenicists?    How would our world be different today?

I believe it would be vastly different as the influence of christians would have been vastly greater, it would have been that much harder for darkness to find such an easy perch.

But with our birthrates so low, which is exactly what they wanted to achieve, they preemptively hamstrung their opposition - us.

 

 

 

That is just too simplistic and doesn't really take into account the reality of our financial condition.  What has lowered our influence in the world is the rise of secularism in the church and the acceptance of things like Evolution, gay marriage, the homosexual lifestyle, socialism and progressivism.    The church surrendered in those areas and that has had a much larger impact on the diminishing Christian influence than birth control.

Birth control, as you says, didn't begin with the eugenicists and has been around for a very long time.  In our day and age, birth control makes sense.

[thereselittleflower]

17 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

That is just too simplistic and doesn't really take into account the reality of our financial condition.  What has lowered our influence in the world is the rise of secularism in the church and the acceptance of things like Evolution, gay marriage, the homosexual lifestyle, socialism and progressivism.    The church surrendered in those areas and that has had a much larger impact on the diminishing Christian influence than birth control.

Birth control, as you says, didn't begin with the eugenicists and has been around for a very long time.  In our day and age, birth control makes sense.

What I think is the reality of our financial situation would be quite different if christians had never given into the eugenicist agenda.    Our way of life would have been very different.  

It would be an error to assume that everything else would be like it is today financially.  How things work today is a direct result of our very small, fractured families.   If our families were large, how things work today would be different.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Did our way of life come first and did legalizing birth control make sense almost 100 years ago because of how our lives are TODAY?

Or did the legalization of birth control cause changes in society that have resulted in a way of life today, dependent on it, almost 100 years later?    I think this one.

It didn't have to be this way.    We didn't have to give them this kind of control over our families, our lives, our birthrate.  We didn't have to make it easier for them to pursue their agendas by making our numbers available to oppose them smaller and smaller and smaller.

 

 

 

 

[LadyKay]

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All of christianity from its very beginning until early last century condemned artificial birth control.

This must have been before my time because I have never heard of such a thing ever been taught in my church.  Over all I see the decision to use birth control  or not as a personal one. And I feel we must not condemn those who may choice differently when we would.

[LadyKay]

1 hour ago, thereselittleflower said:

What if Margaret Sanger and her ilk never succeeded with the Anglican Church in getting them to overturn the universal, unanimous prohibition against artificial contraception?   What if it had never become legal?

Would not the face of our world be much different than it is today?

 

 

Our  government would need a bigger welfare program.  I wish we all could be The Waltons but reality creeps in.

[thereselittleflower]

Or - our christian presence would be so strong, we would be the ones helping others as we should be rather than people relying on our government.

 

 

[thereselittleflower]

8 minutes ago, LadyKay said:

This must have been before my time because I have never heard of such a thing ever been taught in my church.  Over all I see the decision to use birth control  or not as a personal one. And I feel we must not condemn those who may choice differently when we would.

It's not taught.  It's swept under the rug.  But it is actually what happened.

Look up the Lambeth Conference of 1930 and birth control.

I'm not seeking to condemn anyone.

I am looking at how different everything would be if we had not allowed ourselves to be bamboozled into supporting the eugenicist's agenda against ourselves and others.  I think we need to wake up and understand how badly we've been had.

 

 

 

 

[LadyKay]

1 hour ago, simplejeff said:

that kind of thinking might say that it is reckless and cruel to take , say, for example, 400,000 people out into the desert and not have provisions for them.  

and that it is cruel to make them eat the same food every day, day after day, for forty years  ((basically)).

without an osha approved rest room at that ... ... and with no changing table for changing babies diapers .... 

 

And what does this have to do with birth control?

[Guest shiloh357]

22 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

What I think is the reality of our financial situation would be quite different if christians had never given into the eugenicist agenda.    Our way of life would have been very different.  

It would be an error to assume that everything else would be like it is today financially.  How things work today is a direct result of our very small, fractured families.   If our families were large, how things work today would be different.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Did our way of life come first and did legalizing birth control make sense almost 100 years ago because of how our lives are TODAY?

Or did the legalization of birth control cause changes in society that have resulted in a way of life today, dependent on it, almost 100 years later?    I think this one.

It didn't have to be this way.    We didn't have to give them this kind of control over our families, our lives, our birthrate.  We didn't have to make it easier for them to pursue their agendas by making our numbers available to oppose them smaller and smaller and smaller.

 

 

 

 

I don't see that our financial situation as a country can, at all, be traced to eugenicists and people were using birth control before the eugenicists came along.  

Our government insists on subsidizing the poor and over taxing those who work to pay for it.  Inflation is through the roof and it has nothing  to do with birth control or eugenics.   It has to do with a greedy government wants to spend everyone else's money.    In that respect, eugenics or not, we would be where are now.   But it might be worse if there were no BC.  Bigger families, more poverty...

[LadyKay]

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How can we, as christians, justify dancing to the flute of the atheistic eugenicists who see us as undesirables and want to control our birthrate so they could diminish and nullify our power for good and influence in society?

This is a paranoid way of thinking. I really do not believe that atheist are jumping for joy say "oh we going to win now that we got all the Christians on birth control". This ideal is completely ridiculous.

[LadyKay]

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What if all those christian churches never gave in, never caved?

I am offended that you are accusing a Christian who choices to use birth control as "giving in" or "caving to the ways of the world". I am a Christian and I used birth control until my husband and I felt we were in a good place to  bring a child into the world. Mentally, emotionally, and financially ready.  And I am taking great offense that other Christians who have done as I have done are being judge by people like you; who accuse us of compromising our Christian faith because our personal choices differs from you's. God did not condemn me for using birth control and neither should you.