Where is the 3rd Heaven?

[HAZARD]

 

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"We are all eternal beings,"

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Yes we are. No one is denying this, but we had a beginning, we were created by God, in fact by the Word, who had no beginning.

John 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
   

V 2, The same was in the beginning with God.
   

V 3, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The Father had no beginning and the Word had no beginning. The Word, who divested Himself of His God powers so He could become a man which enabled Him to DIE fo us, had a beginning. Its fairy simple.

There are three members of the Godhead, God the Father God the Word, now God the Son and God the Holy Ghost.

 

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.  (In unity not body).

Acts 17:29, Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Rom 1:20, For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so7 that they are without excuse:

Col 2:9, For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

These three all ways existed and always will exist. Not one of them is a created being.

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, HAZARD said:

 

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Yes we are. No one is denying this, but we had a beginning, we were created by God, in fact by the Word, who had no beginning.

John 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
   

V 2, The same was in the beginning with God.
   

V 3, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The Father had no beginning and the Word had no beginning. The Word, who divested Himself of His God powers so He could become a man which enabled Him to DIE fo us, had a beginning. Its fairy simple.

There are three members of the Godhead, God the Father God the Word, now God the Son and God the Holy Ghost.

 

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.  (In unity not body).

Acts 17:29, Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Rom 1:20, For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so7 that they are without excuse:

Col 2:9, For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

These three all ways existed and always will exist. Not one of them is a created being.

you quoting scriptures from all over the place, you are quoting Jonh, and Jonh never said that Jesus does not have a beginning, in fact the scriptures you quote said exactly and very clearly that, The word not the Father created all things, and the Father was with the Word before anything else was created, that it was a time that that they were just the two of them. 

There many scriptures in the epistoles that say that the Word the first creation of God. 

Do you know why they call him" the Word"? 

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, HAZARD said:

 

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Yes we are. No one is denying this, but we had a beginning, we were created by God, in fact by the Word, who had no beginning.

John 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
   

V 2, The same was in the beginning with God.
   

V 3, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The Father had no beginning and the Word had no beginning. The Word, who divested Himself of His God powers so He could become a man which enabled Him to DIE fo us, had a beginning. Its fairy simple.

 

 

1 hour ago, HAZARD said:

Col 2:9, For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

 

It is good to know the scripture, just to quote, and keeping secret the meaning someone has given, and make people think, that his meaning is the same as their, this is what is called deception, 

What does it mean ,

"for in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily".

[HAZARD]

3 minutes ago, inchrist said:

You could be right with Satan's flood...it certianly doesn't affect my creation model to much...As I recognise the universe was flooded with water in the creation account further  caked up with scientific descoveries [science and the bible hand in hand]..... however you have questions yourself that need answering and you posted really an overwhelming amount of info...I would have to do this one piece at a time.

Even if the universe were billions or trillions or quadrillions of years old, you could still ask the same question. What was God doing before then for all eternity? Being lazy?

 

 

You need to remember God is outside of time, infact time was a created by God...God being eternal has no beginning nor termination. There is no concept of time. We can not attach time to God.

However we know time was created...when? In the beginning of creation. 

 

 

Have you considered that the Speed of light was alot faster in the beginning of creation and has slowed down?

All these stars and galaxies is all for our inheritance which we will go on to explore for all eternity, when we have been transformed into our new spiritual bodies. Infact alot of these wonders will be made even better in the New Heavens and New Earth.

 

 

I would have to disagree with this..Earth was created first, the sun moon and stars were created on the 4th day.

I think your confusing the word morning stars to actual stars to support your position. Morning stars are not stars but are sons of God

 Job 38:5-7 

5 Who determined its measurements—surely you know!Or who stretched the line upon it?

Note here the phrases "determined its measurements" and "stretched the line upon it," how they communicate the same thing. Measurement and stretched line same thing.

6 On what were its bases sunk, or who laid its cornerstone,  

Again here in verse six, "its bases sunk" and "laid its cornerstone," communicating the same thing.

7 when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Following the pattern before, the morning stars and the sons of God would be the same thing.

This pattern doesn't stop here, let look at the next verse.

8 "Or who shut in the sea with doors when it burst out from the womb,

Again, the sea is shut in, and it bursts out.

9 when I made clouds its garment and thick darkness its swaddling band,

And once again, the clouds are a garment, and the thick darkness is a swaddling band. Again communicating the same thing.

As you can see by the pattern set out in these verses it's pretty clear sons of God and morning star are the same thing/same entity.

 

God has lived throughout eternity. When was in the beginning? we do not know, it certainly was not 6000 years ago. The stars being referred to who were singing when God laid the foundation of the Earth were in fact angels. Isn't that what I said?

I believe eternity is made up of time. God says he is the beginning and the end. I ask myself the beginning and end of what? TIME?

Rev 1:8, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev 1:11, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Rev 21:6, And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Rev 22:13, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

I don't believe God would create angels without them having somewhere to live. I believe He created the Universe, then the angels, then the Earth, put Lucifer in charge, He rebelled, God destroyed the Earth and some time later, who know when, restored it to a habitable place for man! Adam.

I also believe we will have the entire universe at our disposal when we receive our glorified bodies as Jesus now has. 

Luke  24:39, Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.  He returned to the Father and came back on the same day and passed through the wall and appeared to the disciples. He will have his glorified flesh and bone body for ever as in;

Zec. 13:6, And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

So people throughout eternity future will be reminded of what He did for us.

[HAZARD]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

you quoting scriptures from all over the place, you are quoting Jonh, and Jonh never said that Jesus does not have a beginning, in fact the scriptures you quote said exactly and very clearly that, The word not the Father created all things, and the Father was with the Word before anything else was created, that it was a time that that they were just the two of them. 

There many scriptures in the epistoles that say that the Word the first creation of God. 

Do you know why they call him" the Word"? 

  John 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
   

V 2, The same was in the beginning with God.
   

V 3, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Show me where it teaches that the Father created the Word?

[HAZARD]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 

 

It is good to know the scripture, just to quote, and keeping secret the meaning someone has given, and make people think, that his meaning is the same as their, this is what is called deception, 

What does it mean ,

"for in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily".

No secrets here mate. I know the scriptures because I study the Word, and keep nothing secret. Want to know something? Just ask!

The Word who existed with the Father throughout eternity past, divested Himself of His God powers and became a lowly man. As God He could not die for our sins but as a man He could die.

 John 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

When Jesus died and was resurrected by the Father All power and authority was restored to Him as He had before.

Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."

In other words He was a member of the three divine beings, the Godhead, and God in the beginning, and He still is a member of the Godhead, only now He has a glorified flesh and bone body, still covered in scars for all to see eternally as a reminder of what He did for us.

Zec. 13:6, And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

 

[OldSchool2]

12 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

That's the scripture, before anything else we had God and the "word", who was also God....

That's not just scripture; that's the way, the truth and the life!

[OldSchool2]

12 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

... But it must be a time, unless you don't want to see it, that came forth means, that the word was the second in existence to God, the word came from God, the Son of God....

What part of "He was with God in the beginning...." don't YOU want to see?

[Your closest friendnt]

16 hours ago, OldSchool2 said:

No, God was never  without the Word.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning...." (John 1:1-2).

I am not quite sure, if the translations have something to do, in the way we look at it.

It seems that we both agree and we must, it is obvious from the language of the scripture, that the Word was with God, before the creation, and that the Word was also God, and that's why was able to be the creator, as the creator was above everything that was created.

I had to look in the original language of the scripture in Jonh 1:1,2 and I found that the word.         "pros ton Theon", it has been translated in english "with God". 

Perhaps this is why you have taken a strong stand. I hope you look it up for your self. 

What I said it is in line with the words of Jesus, who said; " that he was in the bossom of the Father", and also the words of Jonh in 1:14, who said, the Word is the only one who came forth from the Father. 

"monogennis",

And the apostol who wrote the same thing, that (the Word), Jesus is the first born of all creation. 

 

[OldSchool2]

7 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I am not quite sure, if the translations have something to do, in the way we look at it.

It seems that we both agree and we must, it is obvious from the language of the scripture, that the Word was with God, before the creation, and that the Word was also God, and that's why was able to be the creator, as the creator was above everything that was created.

I had to look in the original language of the scripture in Jonh 1:1,2 and I found that the word.         "pros ton Theon", it has been translated in english "with God". 

Perhaps this is why you have taken a strong stand. I hope you look it up for your self. 

What I said it is in line with the words of Jesus, who said; " that he was in the bossom of the Father", and also the words of Jonh in 1:14, who said, the Word is the only one who came forth from the Father....

John 1:14 Amplified Bible (AMP)

The Word Made Flesh

^"14 And the Word (Christ) became flesh, and lived among us; and we [actually] saw His glory, glory as belongs to the [One and] only begotten Son of the Father, [the Son who is truly unique, the only One of His kind, who is] full of grace and truth (absolutely free of deception)...."

John 1:1-3 Amplified Bible (AMP)

The Deity of Jesus Christ

"1 In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (^[a]Christ), and the Word was with God, and ^[b]the Word was God Himself. ² He was [continually existing] in the beginning [co-eternally] with God. ³ All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him not even one thing was made that has come into being...."

Footnotes:

1. John 1:1 In John the Apostle’s vision (Rev 19), he sees Christ returning as Warrior-Messiah-King, and “...His name is called The Word of God...and LORD OF LORDS.” (Rev 19:13, 16).
2. John 1:1 In this phrase, “God” appears first in the Greek word order, emphasizing the fact that “the Word” (Christ) was God—so “God Himself.”