Old Covenant vs New Covenant

[thereselittleflower]

20 minutes ago, Shar said:

I am not talking about what Jewish Rabbis taught in Rabbinic Law.  Just the many references already stated in Scripture.  Gentiles entering into the faith had no other means of worship than the existing system G-d established and Paul referred to often as the Jewish sect, known as the Way.  It would have been blasphemous to fold any form of pagan worship into the practice.   For example, the Feast of Ishtar (Easter) to substitute for Passover, our L-rd's death, burial and resurrection.

This isn't true.     Paul established Churches.  He did so whether there was a synagogue or not.    He appointed gentile leaders as well.   

For example, Titus was a Greek gentile who was made a Bishop by Paul.

 

[thereselittleflower]

16 minutes ago, Shar said:

If these are all gone, why is G-d referring to them and their practice in His earthly kingdom, when He sets up His earthly reign upon His return?  Why does He require that all representatives of each Gentile nation come to the festival of Succoth (Festival of Tabernacles) in Jerusalem?  And if they do not, that nation does not receive rain for 1 full year (Zech. 14:16-21).   Hmmmm, seems like they are not gone and those Gentiles better show up.

I don't believe Jesus is setting up an earthly reign when He returns.    I believe that is a mis-interpretation and mis-application of the scriptures.

The scriptures say Jesus is reigning now.

 

[Shar]

1 minute ago, thereselittleflower said:

This isn't true.     Paul established Churches.  He did so whether there was a synagogue or not.    He appointed gentile leaders as well.   

For example, Titus was a Greek gentile who was made a Bishop by Paul.

 

Church was a Greek word for the congregation of believers.   The Hebrew equivalent for congregations was synagogue.  Once Gentiles were grafted in they were members of the body.  Yes, Gentiles were also active in leadership roles, but not exclusive of the Jews.

[thereselittleflower]

   

17 minutes ago, Shar said:

If you were educated in Judaism you would know that Gentiles were unclean and a Jew could not even enter the house of one.  Hence, Peter protesting about the vision and why the Jews could not enter the Roman palace or they would be defiled and not able to celebrate the Passover.  That is the whole point of the Gospel.  We are now made clean in Messiah and grafted into Israel.  There is no adding to Scripture.  Know Judaism and you will know the scriptures.  Rem

Don't forget.  The entire Bible is a Jewish book, written by Jews in a Jewish language, with Jewish customs, in Jewish logic, regarding a Jewish Messiah, who will return as a Jew and establish His throne in a Jewish land with Jewish worship established.  Please do not wipe out everything Jewish in favor of Replacement Theology.   

No, this is incorrect.

The New Testament is written in Greek, using the Greek language.

We are not grafted into Israel.  We are grafted into Christ.

There in no longer Jew or Greek (gentile) in Christ but ONE NEW MAN, as I have already pointed out from scripture.

The teaching of Judaizers was condemned in the New Testament.

 

 

  

8 minutes ago, Shar said:

Church was a Greek word for the congregation of believers.   The Hebrew equivalent for congregations was synagogue.  Once Gentiles were grafted in they were members of the body.  Yes, Gentiles were also active in leadership roles, but not exclusive of the Jews.

A gentile would never be put over a Jewish synagogue - the Jews would never have stood for it.

Yet Paul made Titus, a Greek gentile, a Bishop of the Church of a particular location.   This made him the leader of that Church.   They were not meeting in the synagogue and they were not being taught by Jews but by a Greek gentile.   They met in homes.

 

 

[Shar]

3 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

I don't believe Jesus is setting up an earthly reign when He returns.    I believe that is a mis-interpretation and mis-application of the scriptures.

The scriptures say Jesus is reigning now.

 

Wow!  You really do throw away the O.T. and its prophecies, especially those yet to be fulfilled.  Christ has not completed his promise to the Jews that he would set up an earthly, physical, Davidic throne and reign from Jerusalem.  I now see you are ignoring the whole of G-d's Word and misinterpreting scripture to ignore the Jew.   Replacement Theology.  Sorry, we have no common ground.  Without the acceptance of the whole of Scripture, we cannot logically engage, for most is being negated.  Blessings and Shalom.

[thereselittleflower]

Just now, Shar said:

Wow!  You really do throw away the O.T. and its prophecies, especially those yet to be fulfilled.  Christ has not completed his promise to the Jews that he would set up an earthly, physical, Davidic throne and reign from Jerusalem.  I now see you are ignoring the whole of G-d's Word and misinterpreting scripture to ignore the Jew.   Replacement Theology.  Sorry, we have no common ground.  Without the acceptance of the whole of Scripture, we cannot logically engage, for most is being negated.  Blessings and Shalom.

You're welcome to believe what you want, but I'm going to stick with what Paul said about there being ONE NEW MAN and there being no longer any Jew or Gentile in Christ and that Jesus ABOLISHED IN HIS FLESH the Law of commandments - just as it says in the GREEK scriptures.  

[Shar]

14 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

   

No, this is incorrect.

The New Testament is written in Greek, using the Greek language.

We are not grafted into Israel.  We are grafted into Christ.

There in no longer Jew or Greek (gentile) in Christ but ONE NEW MAN, as I have already pointed out from scripture.

The teaching of Judaizers was condemned in the New Testament.

 

 

  

A gentile would never be put over a Jewish synagogue - the Jews would never have stood for it.

Yet Paul made Titus, a Greek gentile, a Bishop of the Church of a particular location.   This made him the leader of that Church.   They were not meeting in the synagogue and they were not being taught by Jews but by a Greek gentile.   They met in homes.

 

 

The reference to "no longer Jew or Gentile" also included the reference to "no longer male or female".  This is not a literal statement of no physical differences, because we still have male and female, Jews and Gentiles.  This was a spiritual reference only.  The Jew and Gentile are longer separated.  The unclean Gentile can now be considered clean and come into the faith as they have been made clean by their faith in Messiah.  Now we are all in the family of G-d.  All part of Israel.  The Gentile is grafted in.

They met in the temple (ACTS) and met in homes for the Havdalah service.  They also met in homes when there was no other place to go, or when they fled due to persecution.  Titus taught only after he learned the faith was established enough to take on a teaching position.  He was not just thrown into it.

Edited January 6, 2016 by Shar

[thereselittleflower]

5 minutes ago, Shar said:

The reference to "no longer Jew or Gentile" also included the reference to "no longer male or female".  This is not a literal statement of no physical differences, because we still have male and female, Jews and Gentiles.  This was a spiritual reference only.  The Jew and Gentile are longer separated.  The unclean Gentile can now be considered clean and come into the faith as they have been made clean by their faith in Messiah.  Now we are all in the family of G-d.  All part of Israel.  The Gentile is grafted in.

They met in the temple (ACTS) and met in homes for the Havdalah service.  They also met in homes when there was no other place to go, or when they fled due to persecution.  Titus taught only after he learned the faith was established enough to take on a teaching position.  He was not just thrown into it.

Shar, you are very welcome to believe what you like, even though you can't prove much of what you claim.    

God bless.

[Shar]

Just now, thereselittleflower said:

Shar, you are very welcome to believe what you like, even though you can't prove much of what you claim.    

God bless.

You too, my sister.

[other one]

3 hours ago, Shar said:

I did not add to scripture.  I quoted it.  Remember, Gentiles were coming into the one true faith in the G-d of Israel.  Jews were not becoming Gentiles or living the pagan lifestyle.

but most of us are not Jews and we are not expected to become Jews.   That's what not being circumcised was all about.