Is the doctrine of the Trinity biblical?

[Sister]

1 minute ago, thereselittleflower said:

 

To say there was a time when the Son was not is the ancient Arian Heresy.

There is no  "when."  

God the Son is just as ternally pre-existing as God the Father, for God the Son is God, and God is eternally pre-existing - without beginning or end.

 

 

Therese

The son always existed, but not as we know him when he was here on the earth.  He wasn't flesh in heaven was he?

[thereselittleflower]

 

5 minutes ago, Sister said:

Therese

The son always existed, but not as we know him when he was here on the earth.  He wasn't flesh in heaven was he?

That doesn't have anything to do with what you quoted.

If the Son always existed, then the Son did not have a beginning, and it was your contention

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  If Jesus came out of the Father, then when did that happen?  I'll answer that for you.  It happened just before God started creating.

   

that He had a beginning I was addressing.

The person Jesus did not exist until the incarnation when God the Son joined divinity forever with humanity in the person of Jesus.

[Sister]

4 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

 

To say there was a time when the Son was not is the ancient Arian Heresy.

There is no  "when."  

God the Son is just as eternally pre-existing as God the Father, for God the Son is God, and God is eternally pre-existing - without beginning or end.

 

The Word did not change form.  The Word remains God and continues to be God even as Divinity united with humanity forever in Jesus.

 

 

Therese

Are we not allowed to let the holy spirit teach us?  Do we always have to go through man to receive doctrine? 

 

Ezekiel 13:14       So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

[thereselittleflower]

   

1 minute ago, Sister said:

Therese

Are we not allowed to let the holy spirit teach us?  Do we always have to go through man to receive doctrine? 

 

Ezekiel 13:14       So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

What does that have to do with anything I said?

Many people think they are hearing the voice of the Holy Spirit, but are actually only hearing themselves or worse, demons.

 

[Sister]

1 minute ago, thereselittleflower said:

   

What does that have to do with anything I said?

Many people think they are hearing the voice of the Holy Spirit, but are actually only hearing themselves or worse, demons.

 

Therese

That's why everything has to be verified with scripture. 

I gave you scripture.  You contradicted it.

[thereselittleflower]

   

Just now, Sister said:

Therese

That's why everything has to be verified with scripture. 

I gave you scripture.  You contradicted it.

Actually, I gave you scripture in order to show you how you contradicted scripture.

 

 

[Sister]

49 minutes ago, Sister said:

therese

You just contradicted yourself below;

 

Who's Word was it that became flesh then?

Terese

so what's your answer?

Whose Word became flesh?

[SINNERSAVED]

1 minute ago, thereselittleflower said:

   

What does that have to do with anything I said?

Many people think they are hearing the voice of the Holy Spirit, but are actually only hearing themselves or worse, demons.

 

can you prove this statement or was this a fabrication of thought, ?

we need to hear truth and scripture, and let the spirit lead us and guide us in all truth , for we can of ourselves inject hear say , and opinion, to the ends of the earth , but I would rather stay on scripture , and not ideas, for Jesus ,is the Jesus in the bible,  of the Christianity  belief,

if you want to bring up the Mormon  jesus, you have gone off topic, for we are not talking about Mormons , but what the  Christians, are to believe, or did I miss something ,somewhere, ? Jesus is the son of God , and Jesus saves ! and there is no other way,  the Jesus that laid down His life ,for you and for me , by no other religion or faith is this made known to man, and any others are man made ideas , and is in opposition of the true and living God of Isaac, Abraham and Jacob,    which Jesus are you talking about ?

the Jesus I follow is the one that Has come to put away and destroy the evil and the wickedness of man , on the cross, there is only one Jesus , every other Jesus is a man made type idea , and opinion to what is not truth !! if we are following and talking about Jesus , this would be the one that comes from Christ Jesus , we are followers of his teaching only and not of mans, and so this makes us Christians ?

if until the end of time, we decide to walk the wide and broad path , that leads not to the father in heaven, then that is on them , for we cannot dissect scripture, to every nickel ,and dime and think ,we are going to see the way ,? Jesus leads His people in love and simple understanding , and there is no need for battling of words taken out of context, and who believes what and the other believes that, this is so simple a cave man can do it, know the real Jesus and be saved .

 for there are stumbling blocks that lead people to walk away from God , because there is confusion, and mis-representation of Gods word, and in life people that are saying one thing ,and doing another , we are the hands and feet and the mouth of the body , that is what other people see and judge if it be  truth or a lie, so we must represent God , in holiness and in obedience, we are not allowed to take His word and cast it to the swine, but that is for another topic

if you wanted to make a point about the Mormon Jesus , please , I am willing, if you want to start the thread, but is that going to bring us into the light of the gospel , or take us out to a far issue that takes us away from the truth and understanding  of the gospel we believe in ,of God ,   Jesus says follow me , and deny the self, I am the way the truth and the life, and blessed is those that hear the word , and do what is written , amen ...

 

 

[thereselittleflower]

   

15 minutes ago, Sister said:

Terese

so what's your answer?

Whose Word became flesh?

It's not "whose" Word.

 

It's WHO became flesh.

God became flesh.

 

 

[thereselittleflower]

2 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

can you prove this statement or was this a fabrication of thought, ?

we need to hear truth and scripture, and let the spirit lead us and guide us in all truth , for we can of ourselves inject hear say , and opinion, to the ends of the earth , but I would rather stay on scripture , and not ideas, for Jesus ,is the Jesus in the bible,  of the Christianity  belief,

if you want to bring up the Mormon  jesus, you have gone off topic, for we are not talking about Mormons , but what the  Christians, are to believe, or did I miss something ,somewhere, ? Jesus is the son of God , and Jesus saves ! and there is no other way,  the Jesus that laid down His life ,for you and for me , by no other religion or faith is this made known to man, and any others are man made ideas , and is in opposition of the true and living God of Isaac, Abraham and Jacob,    which Jesus are you talking about ?

the Jesus I follow is the one that Has come to put away and destroy the evil and the wickedness of man , on the cross, there is only one Jesus , every other Jesus is a man made type idea , and opinion to what is not truth !! if we are following and talking about Jesus , this would be the one that comes from Christ Jesus , we are followers of his teaching only and not of mans, and so this makes us Christians ?

if until the end of time, we decide to walk the wide and broad path , that leads not to the father in heaven, then that is on them , for we cannot dissect scripture, to every nickel ,and dime and think ,we are going to see the way ,? Jesus leads His people in love and simple understanding , and there is no need for battling of words taken out of context, and who believes what and the other believes that, this is so simple a cave man can do it, know the real Jesus and be saved .

 for there are stumbling blocks that lead people to walk away from God , because there is confusion, and mis-representation of Gods word, and in life people that are saying one thing ,and doing another , we are the hands and feet and the mouth of the body , that is what other people see and judge if it be  truth or a lie, so we must represent God , in holiness and in obedience, we are not allowed to take His word and cast it to the swine, but that is for another topic

if you wanted to make a point about the Mormon Jesus , please , I am willing, if you want to start the thread, but is that going to bring us into the light of the gospel , or take us out to a far issue that takes us away from the truth and understanding  of the gospel we believe in ,of God ,   Jesus says follow me , and deny the self, I am the way the truth and the life, and blessed is those that hear the word , and do what is written , amen ...

 

 

Mormons think they are hearing the Holy Spirit -  should we accept their version of Jesus as legitimate?

Do you not know satan can come as an angel of light?

• Galatians 1:8
  But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!