WHAT ABOUT THESE STATEMENTS?

[opportunitykenny]

 

 

"You can be coming to church and at the same time you are not a christian BUT you cannot be a christian and not coming to church"

 

"All believers are not christians BUT all christians are believers"

 

 

[Guest]

Neither statement is true. You don't have to go to church to be saved, that is a works based salvation. 2nd - believer in whom? And, Scripture teaches that not all who say "Lord, Lord" will be saved. Even demons "believe."

[missmuffet]

7 minutes ago, Rick_Parker said:

Neither statement is true. You don't have to go to church to be saved, that is a works based salvation. 2nd - believer in whom? And, Scripture teaches that not all who say "Lord, Lord" will be saved. Even demons "believe."

Yes,I agree Rick 

[thereselittleflower]

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"All believers are not christians BUT all christians are believers"

 

I would think the opposite is true -  all christians are not believers, but all believers are chrsitians.

 

 

[opportunitykenny]

"Neither statement is true. You don't have to go to church to be saved, that is a works based salvation. 2nd - believer in whom? And, Scripture teaches that not all who say "Lord, Lord" will be saved. Even demons "believe.""

 

Rather say it is not only in the church you can be saved (as in the case of apostle Paul once knew as Saul on his way to Damascus, Acts Chapter 9) but truly if you attend a Bible believing and practising church, you have the golden opportunity to be saved provided you humble yourself and repent of your sin. Acts 4:10-12

 

All believers are not christians simply because you can believe in anything outside Christ and this does not make you a christian. On the other hand, you become a believer by grace when you have Christ as your Lord and Saviour.

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

10:41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins."

 

By the way, who are believers we can boldly call christians? These are the people who have have repented of their sin, accepted and believed in Christ, those who are Christ's disciples. 

Acts 5:14 And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)

1 Timothy 4:12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.

[opportunitykenny]

12 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

 

I would think the opposite is true -  all christians are not believers, but all believers are chrsitians.

 

 

Then it amounts to say: All 'christians' who are not in Christ are not believers, but all believers who are in HIM are christians.  John 15:5

 

 

 

[thereselittleflower]

Just now, opportunitykenny said:

Then it amounts to say: All 'christians' who are not in Christ are not believers, but all believers who are in HIM are christians.  John 15:5

 

 

 

I think that would raise the question then can one be a believer and not be in HIM?

 

 

 

[opportunitykenny]

5 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

I think that would raise the question then can one be a believer and not be in HIM?

 

 

 

YES IT IS POSSIBLE AND THAT IT IS IN EXISTENCE.

 

You are only a believer in Christ Jesus and be in HIM (CHRIST JESUS) as further stressed in verses below when you believe the gospel, repented of your sin, accepted Christ Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

Acts 3:19; Mark 1:14-15;  Acts 4:10-12

 

 

 

[Ezra]

3 hours ago, opportunitykenny said:

"You can be coming to church and at the same time you are not a christian BUT you cannot be a christian and not coming to church"

"All believers are not christians BUT all christians are believers"

Not quite correct.

[SINNERSAVED]

3 hours ago, opportunitykenny said:

 

 

"You can be coming to church and at the same time you are not a christian BUT you cannot be a christian and not coming to church"

 

"All believers are not christians BUT all christians are believers"

 

 

this is false and anyone that says this is not studying Gods word, nor knows, what Jesus was teaching,

Christians are believers that follow Christ, Christ followers,  going to church does not make you a Christian or saved, but surrendering to God in truth and in Spirit , and have repented to know that they are a sinner in need of a savior , many today  that call them selves Christians are not it is only a label or a group they are  a part of, but do not follow the teachings  and Gods commandments,

the church is what is called a assembly of a group to all believe the same, but it is up to the each and every single person , to have a relationship with Jesus , and knowing God sent His Son to die on the cross to save, and so it is a free gift of Grace, that we receive , but we do not accept this in vain , for we seek God, and become doers and not just hearers of the word, to be filled with the holy spirit, and to produce good fruit, by hearing of the word we come to repentance and the knowledge of the savior, then what you do with Jesus from there is between you and God, for to reject, or not follow as the bible, as we are to read and let the Spirit guide us, if we do not do that , then we are not following what we say we believe in.