Different denominations working together for community service...

[simplejeff]

Correct Butero:  ecumenicism(("saying, as if, everybody's right/okay/ no repentance needed")) is evil, not righteous.  But that only applies/ is important/ in the assemblies following Jesus honoring Scripture.  Not in society and the world/ the world churches.  Everyone has a choice to make.

 Holiness and Sanctification is freely given in Jesus to everyone who seeks Him, who is immersed in His Name.

27 minutes ago, Butero said:

why churches cannot come together

footnote ((dresses vs robes)): if an Israeli visited you TODAY in his desert garments/robe, old time kind,

no one would mistake him for a woman nor would even think he wore woman's garb.

In worldly/carnal churches, that doesn't matter either.  Mankind has fallen greatly.

[Guest Butero]

5 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

Correct Butero:  ecumenicism(("saying, as if, everybody's right/okay/ no repentance needed")) is evil, not righteous.  But that only applies/ is important/ in the assemblies following Jesus honoring Scripture.  Not in society and the world/ the world churches.  Everyone has a choice to make.

 Holiness and Sanctification is freely given in Jesus to everyone who seeks Him, who is immersed in His Name.

footnote ((dresses vs robes)): if an Israeli visited you TODAY in his desert garments/robe, old time kind,

no one would mistake him for a woman nor would even think he wore woman's garb.

In worldly/carnal churches, that doesn't matter either.  Mankind has fallen greatly.

That is true, and if you go to the clothing store and ask them to show you robes, they won't get them mixed up with dresses. 

[bfloydo]

 Why get caught up in never ending doctrine and dogma arguments? it will not bear fruit. Why not start w/ a small food pantry or take meals to homeless a few times a week? Others may be compelled to join you in your good works, even if they are not members of your church. If you feel like its God's calling for you to start this, then by all means go forward in faith and he will accomplish his purpose thru you. In the times of the scriptures many of these things where expected of, and done by individuals.

 God Bless 

 

[Guest Teditis]

2 minutes ago, bfloydo said:

 Why get caught up in never ending doctrine and dogma arguments? it will not bear fruit. Why not start w/ a small food pantry or take meals to homeless a few times a week? Others may be compelled to join you in your good works, even if they are not members of your church. If you feel like its God's calling for you to start this, then by all means go forward in faith and he will accomplish his purpose thru you. In the times of the scriptures many of these things where expected of, and done by individuals.

 God Bless 

 

That's a good point bfloydo, and if it's God's will for a ministry to start then He will provide financial needs as well.

Perhaps the reason for not finding a compatible church to partner with might be God's way of telling you to work

this through on your own? As the ministry grows, other churches might see God's hand in play and then be more

compliant in joining in... just a thought.

[The_Patriot21]

1 hour ago, Butero said:

Here is the problem Patriot.  This isn't about getting along.  They are getting along just fine in separate houses of worship minding their own business.  What you have is one church approaching another about working together on a project to bring light to those in darkness (literally).  The other church finds fault in the church that approached them and refuses to join with them because of those flaws.  They don't consider them minor things.  Ask any conservative Baptist if baptizing by emersion is important as opposed to sprinkling and see what they say.  Just because you consider something small doesn't make it so to others.  I wouldn't go out with a church group where the women are wearing pants anymore than I would do so with a church group where the men were wearing a dress, though I know at one time everyone wore long flowing robes.  I won't join with them in what I consider something blatantly contrary to my core doctrine.  Nobody else will either, so this church has a choice to make.  The others won't change, no matter how many people attack them as legalistic or judgmental.  I can come back at them and say they are condemning themselves in those things they allow, quoting scripture too, and they will not be moved either.  As such, how bad does this church want to reach the maximum number of individuals?  If they want to reach the most people, they will have to be the ones to conform.

I do think this exchange has been useful in answering the question as to why churches cannot come together and do something like this.  One side won't be associated with a church doing things they find sinful.  The other side that Enoob and Patriot are on won't be associated with churches they think are in error because they are legalistic.  I think that pretty much wraps this up. 

I see what your saying, I'm just saying that if its a case of doctrine such as baptism, which hawk did bring up, that is a core belief, and I wouldn't be involved in a ministry with them for that. If its not a core belief then I have no issue with working with other denominations, and often do. There are certain things I will do with other denominations, such as fellowship with them, but I won't minister alongside them if their core doctrines are blatantly contrary to the Bible. 

[The_Patriot21]

And even then a lot depends on how it affects things, if its a doctrine that doesn't change anything I may-such as loss of salvation. Whether you believe a person can lose their salvation, or whether a person claiming Christ was just never saved in the first place, it makes no difference-first their salvation is between them and God, and regardless of how that person got where they are at, the answer is still the same-pray for them and help guide them back to Jesus-so practically, its nothing more then a debate subject, so if a church differs on that doctrine I have no issue associating with them.

 

But if the difference is baptism by immersion vs sprinkling, they are totally different methods of baptism, and practically there's not a "either way works" the two methods are contrary, and the only biblical answer is baptism by immersion, sprinkling is an invention of the Catholic church, and has no biblical bearing whatsoever.

[Ezra]

This may sound pessimistic, but In view of the existing divisions within Christianity, the most effective service that a local church can do within its community is to have its own members work together on whatever projects are deemed to be necessary. 

[Guest Butero]

19 minutes ago, The_Patriot2016 said:

I see what your saying, I'm just saying that if its a case of doctrine such as baptism, which hawk did bring up, that is a core belief, and I wouldn't be involved in a ministry with them for that. If its not a core belief then I have no issue with working with other denominations, and often do. There are certain things I will do with other denominations, such as fellowship with them, but I won't minister alongside them if their core doctrines are blatantly contrary to the Bible. 

That is it in a nutshell.  I would have problems with working directly with a church if there was a major difference on an issue I find important.  You are right about baptism, in that it was always done by immersion.  I think there have been enough answers in this thread to hopefully help Hawkeye understand why the can't we just get along and work together idea doesn't work. 

[peacemakerIND]

According to our country India culture,, people wearing the full clothing to body,, we won't ware half clothing to body to go to temple or church,, present church have the big responsibility to bring the moral and spiritual awareness in community,,,

[The_Patriot21]

5 minutes ago, Butero said:

That is it in a nutshell.  I would have problems with working directly with a church if there was a major difference on an issue I find important.  You are right about baptism, in that it was always done by immersion.  I think there have been enough answers in this thread to hopefully help Hawkeye understand why the can't we just get along and work together idea doesn't work. 

Right. There are some trivial differences but there are things that churches need to be legalistic about. I would love to see all the churches work together, but not if biblical values have to be sacrificed to do so.