Reinitin Posted February 24, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,366 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,150 Days Won: 9 Joined: 01/10/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2016 13 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said: I know there are tares, I know there are self-deluded people. My question is there a person, who has saving faith, who is lukewarm. Can a person actually grasp what God has done for him/her, in Christ, and lack enthusiasm about it? i doubt it. cause we are made alive be christ and a renewing Spirit starts working in us and we keep growing if we have good soil. But there is the sower imagery we are given. you know the one? the seed planted on rocks, and the seed the bird steal and the seed with no root. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinitin Posted February 24, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,366 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,150 Days Won: 9 Joined: 01/10/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2016 You know what though. I might not be understanding your question cause there is also seasons christians go through. Some times the work is growing our roots and there is no sign of life. But, the fig tree got cursed for appearing to have fruit but it was barren in the season it should of had fruit. So i still don't know what your asking. I'd say just keep clinging to Christ or tell a burned out brother or sister to just keep clinging to Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinitin Posted February 24, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,366 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,150 Days Won: 9 Joined: 01/10/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2016 might totally be off topic. In John I think. there was a lot of people following Jesus and he said somethings that were hard to understand. Everyone that was following Him took off except His disciples. Jesus looked at His disciples (they couldn't understand the things he said at that time either) Jesus ask them if they were gonna leave too? One of the Disciples said, "where would we go? No one else has the words of eternal life". I think alot of times in our walk we just don't understand what he's saying yet, but we know we have no where else to go so we stay till we receive the revelations which ignites us again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 24, 2016 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.37 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2016 biblehub.com/john/6-66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. ... Thereupon many of His disciples left Him and went away, and no longer ... A little later((between then,up to, and including Pentecost)), He Breathed on His disciples who stayed with Him, and their minds were opened, and/or the Father in heaven REVEALED to them, as to PETER, all Truth that they RECEIVED from Him. Including that Yahshua is the Messiah come in the flesh ! ((most people then and TODAY reject the MESSIAH and oppose His disciples)) - even that knowledge REQUIRED the Father GRANT IT FROM HEAVEN.((it was never gained/grasped by study or human effort; same lesson TODAY)) SO, HIS OWN DISCIPLES left him, besides also the religious teachers who believed He is the Christ, but they LOVED THE APPROVAL OF MEN more than the APPROVAL OF GOD, so they refused to confess Jesus. Woe to them, they all will perish, unless they likewise repent((as in the example JEESUS gave of the people who perished under the tower at SILOAM/Luke 13)). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 24, 2016 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.37 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2016 13 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said: My question is there a person, who has saving faith, who is lukewarm. Can a person actually grasp what God has done for him/her, in Christ, and lack enthusiasm about it? There's people in many places who are even respected long time church members, regular or not, who claim to have faith in Jesus, but refuse to do what He says. First John exposes the Truth of this. Their teachers will bear a stronger judgment for not showing them the Truth, for not living as Christ says, but they will suffer also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted February 24, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2016 14 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said: I know there are tares, I know there are self-deluded people. My question is there a person, who has saving faith, who is lukewarm. Can a person actually grasp what God has done for him/her, in Christ, and lack enthusiasm about it? Yes, I believe that can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted February 24, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.76 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2016 16 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said: I know there are tares, I know there are self-deluded people. My question is there a person, who has saving faith, who is lukewarm. Can a person actually grasp what God has done for him/her, in Christ, and lack enthusiasm about it? Isn't "saving faith" and "lukewarm" a contradiction? In Revelation 3:14-21 God describes the "lukewarm" heart. He speaks of the attitude of the Laodicea Church. The letter to the Church of Laodicea is the harshest of all the seven letters. If a person lacks enthusiasm for Christ I would question their born again status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted February 24, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.76 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2016 2 hours ago, Rick_Parker said: You don't have to go to church to on fire for the Lord, so your premise if flawed. That is very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaman 3.0 Posted February 24, 2016 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 57 Topic Count: 1,546 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 10,320 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 12,323 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1951 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 4 hours ago, Rick_Parker said: You don't have to go to church to on fire for the Lord, so your premise if flawed There was no premise, your understanding of what I said, is flawed! I was only acknowledging, that being a Christian and going to church, are separate things. Most Christians probably go to church. Most Christians would be naturally interested in the things of God and they love thier family, their brothers and sisters in Christ. Church (the place) is something Christians do. Like other things that Christians do (charity, prayer, read the Bible), it is not what makes them a Christian. Other people, non-Christians, can pray, study, go to church, and give generously. I am acknowledging that there is a difference, between those who call themselves Christians, and those who have saving faith, those who have a real relationship with God, because of the Son. I cannot back this up, but if I had to make a guess, I would think that maybe 20% of the people who attend church where I attend church, are actually saved, but of course, only God knows what the real number is. That 20% guess, is twice as high as I have had for other churches I have attended, and I only attend churches which have sound teaching, Bible based, and demonstrate their committment to the things of God, by feeding and clothing the unfortuneate, put effort and resources into local and global outreach, have open finacial records. Anyway, my real question is just "Can a genuine Christian be lukewarm?" If any implication should be taken from that, it would be in the form of other questions: "If you are lukewarm, are you confident that you are saved? If so, based on what?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaman 3.0 Posted February 24, 2016 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 57 Topic Count: 1,546 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 10,320 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 12,323 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1951 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 7 hours ago, manuelf324 said: Lukewarm Christians can occur in the save or lost. Simply put they have one foot in with God and other foot with the World You need to stand fast in the faith. All in with both feet. I believe you can serve the Lord with no enthusiasm which is Sin. Whatsoever that's not of faith is sin. Be not WEARY(lack of enthusiasm) of we'll doing because in due season ye shall reap if ye FAINT not. At this dispensation we are in the Final Ladicoen (lukewarm) church age. You and I have different understandings. To me, it is the Christians who are saved, and there are no lost among them. They may not even call themselves Christians. Then there are those who call themselves Christians, but are not children of God, through Christ, they, are unsaved, lost, and it does not matter what they call themselves. Going to church, and calling myself a Christian does not make be a Christian, any more than going into my garage and claiming to be a car, makes me a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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