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[MorningGlory]

3 minutes ago, Vendtre said:

A "simple and fair" tax plan should not include incentives to do what the government thinks are the right things to do. 

The tax system should not be used for social engineering, that is a misuse of the system.  

Your tax plan is the antithesis of free market capatilism 

For some reason none of what you just typed makes any sense at all.  Are you arguing your opinions or just arguing to be arguing?  What Ezra put down is reasonable and is not 'doing what the government thinks is right'.

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1 hour ago, Vendtre said:

Bullies are all the same, all talk and no guts when pushed back.  

And what old sayings book did you take that from?  Were talking fiscal policy here, not the playground.

[Vendtre]

Just now, MorningGlory said:

For some reason none of what you just typed makes any sense at all.  Are you arguing your opinions or just arguing to be arguing?  What Ezra put down is reasonable and is not 'doing what the government thinks is right'.

Well, yes it is.  If the government gives a tax incentive to produce a certain reaction it is done because the government feels is is the "right" thing that people should be doing.

Curently we give tax incentives to use "green energy" items such as wind power or solar power, because the government thinks it is a "good" thing.

The whole purpose of a tax insentive is to promote one behavior over another. 

Ezra's plan includes the government using tax insentives to incline people to do what he feels is the right thing for them to do.

I have always been against the tax code being used for social engineering 

[Qnts2]

27 minutes ago, Ezra said:

Not really.  A simple and fair tax system would probably bring in more tax dollars than at present.  The more tax incentives you give manufacturing and business, the more products they sell at a reasonable price, and the more taxable revenue they generate for themselves.

To take a simple example. If the tax rate for manufacturers is 12% and you reduce that by 2% to provide an incentive for local manufacture, there is nothing complicated. If you have a flat tax rate of 10% for all wage earners within the lowest bracket, that keeps things very simple.

I did a calculation of the lowest tax bracket compared to today and found that they will end up paying more in taxes, so the poor will pay more taxes then they do today.

In todays tax system, there is a standard deduction plus a deduction for each person. A flat tax, as I understand it eliminates all deductions. A couple making a combined income of say $30,000 gets the standard deduction plus 2 individual deductions. The deduction for 2 boxes check is $15,100. 30,000-15100=14900. So the taxable amount is $14,900 at the tax rate of 15%, the federal tax would be $2,235.

With no deductions, the tax rate for $30,000 at 10% would be $3,000.

Am I correct? If so, a couple making 14000 gross (below poverty level) , pays $1400 at a flat rate of 10% but in todays taxes they would pay 0.

[Vendtre]

3 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

And what old sayings book did you take that from?  Were talking fiscal policy here, not the playground.

A bully is a bully, matters not where they are standing.  

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Just now, Vendtre said:

A bully is a bully, matters not where they are standing.  

Vendtre, that is a pretty weak response.  We need a strong leader in Washsington.  Obama has not been strong and, no, I don't say that because I hate him, I certainly don't.  That was a disclaimer because I was accused of that recently.  Obama's gentlemanly approach is nice but it DOESN'T WORK!  At this point I, personally, would vote for Atilla the Hun.

[Vendtre]

Just now, MorningGlory said:

Vendtre, that is a pretty weak response.  We need a strong leader in Washsington.  Obama has not been strong and, no, I don't say that because I hate him, I certainly don't.  That was a disclaimer because I was accused of that recently.  Obama's gentlemanly approach is nice but it DOESN'T WORK!  At this point I, personally, would vote for Atilla the Hun.

I am good with a strong leader, I want a strong leader, that is why I am against Trump.

Reagan was a strong leader, but he was no bully.

Kennedy was a strong leader, but not a bully. 

being a bully does not equal being a strong leader. 

[MorningGlory]

7 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

I did a calculation of the lowest tax bracket compared to today and found that they will end up paying more in taxes, so the poor will pay more taxes then they do today.

In todays tax system, there is a standard deduction plus a deduction for each person. A flat tax, as I understand it eliminates all deductions. A couple making a combined income of say $30,000 gets the standard deduction plus 2 individual deductions. The deduction for 2 boxes check is $15,100. 30,000-15100=14900. So the taxable amount is $14,900 at the tax rate of 15%, the federal tax would be $2,235.

With no deductions, the tax rate for $30,000 at 10% would be $3,000.

Am I correct? If so, a couple making 14000 gross (below poverty level) , pays $1400 at a flat rate of 10% but in todays taxes they would pay 0.

I believe those flat tax plans have a floor, below which one would pay nothing or a much lower rate.  I need to look it up to be sure but I believe that's what I heard yesterday from ne of the talking heads on t.v.

[MorningGlory]

3 minutes ago, Butero said:

Early voting has begun in North Carolina, and my family is split.  Some are for Trump, at least one is for Kasich, and I cast my vote for Cruz.  It has been an interesting race thus far. 

My family was that way too except we almost all went for Trump and ONE voted for Cruz.  I went through my very large family last time we were all together and not ONE democrat in the whole group but there is one Independent and that's me. 

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5 minutes ago, Vendtre said:

I am good with a strong leader, I want a strong leader, that is why I am against Trump.

Reagan was a strong leader, but he was no bully.

Kennedy was a strong leader, but not a bully. 

being a bully does not equal being a strong leader. 

I just don't understand your arguments in a political discussion.  They're just not relevant.