Politics in General

[Qnts2]

5 minutes ago, artsylady said:

That's good!   A lot of White Christians think the country is theirs and founded by them. 

I am also very aware of the wrongs done to Native Americans as I am married to a Native American. Where we live, there are no reservations.

While my husband is Native American and his forefathers are Native Americans, Native Americans are not my forefathers. I am not Native American.

As far as atrocities done to Native Americans/First Nations, neither the U.S. government nor Canadian government are free of guilt. Have you read any of the history of the things done to First Nations people in Canada? (I know because my husbands people live both in Canada and the U.S. His family left the reservation in Canada because the Canadian government was stealing the children and forcing them to dress and act and talk like white men. If the children objected, they were beaten. Many of the First Nations children died.)

If you are not familiar with some of it, there is a movie written and produced in Canada called 'Elijah' and is about Elijah Harper, who was taken and raised in the residential schools. He returned to the reservation and later was first 'treaty indian' elected as a provincial politician. He almost single handedly blocked the Meech Lake Accord. Prime Minister Brian Mulrooney attempted to shove the Meech Lake Accord through in a very questionable manner, to by pass Elijah Harpers objections. 

It is a movie worth watching for recent Canadian history.

[MorningGlory]

20 minutes ago, artsylady said:

That's good!   A lot of White Christians think the country is theirs and founded by them. 

There is absolutely NO reason for you to say these things. 

[artsylady]

6 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

I am also very aware of the wrongs done to Native Americans as I am married to a Native American. Where we live, there are no reservations.

While my husband is Native American and his forefathers are Native Americans, Native Americans are not my forefathers. I am not Native American.

As far as atrocities done to Native Americans/First Nations, neither the U.S. government nor Canadian government are free of guilt. Have you read any of the history of the things done to First Nations people in Canada? (I know because my husbands people live both in Canada and the U.S. His family left the reservation in Canada because the Canadian government was stealing the children and forcing them to dress and act and talk like white men. If the children objected, they were beaten. Many of the First Nations children died.)

If you are not familiar with some of it, there is a movie written and produced in Canada called 'Elijah' and is about Elijah Harper, who was taken and raised in the residential schools. He returned to the reservation and later was first 'treaty indian' elected as a provincial politician. He almost single handedly blocked the Meech Lake Accord. Prime Minister Brian Mulrooney attempted to shove the Meech Lake Accord through in a very questionable manner, to by pass Elijah Harpers objections. 

It is a movie worth watching for recent Canadian history.

Yes i know about the Canadian history.  My best friend, besides my husband, is native.  He was part of the 60's scoop, that is now coming to light, as were 2 other of my native friends.  They were just in that age bracket.  Very sad.  As well as what you have mentioned, we also had  the residential schools.  Horrible stuff.  I have many native friends actually.  My husband and I drive a native friend periodically up to spend a weekends at a reserve a few hours away so that she can visit her family and will be doing that first weekend in April.

[artsylady]

9 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

There is absolutely NO reason for you to say these things. 

Well, maybe you've never heard it said but I sure have.  "America was founded on Biblical principals and values by our forefathers!"  etc. etc, where they quote the constitution yadayada.     You've never heard anything like that? 

[Qnts2]

 

3 minutes ago, Davida said:

oh brother ---they are both socialist. 

 

On another thread, I explained the difference between Fascism (Nazi form of government), Communism, and Socialism. They are distinctly different government systems. I would suggest you do some research and the differences as your statement is absolutely wrong. Fascism is not Socialism and Socialism is not Fascism.  

[Qnts2]

2 minutes ago, Davida said:

Some people like David Horowitz and many others would disagree.

Read some good books on systems of government. David Horowitz says what you say he does, he does not understand the differences.

[artsylady]

I really had no intention of coming back here tonight, or maybe ever,  but a Native facebook friend had this on her wall.  Thought it was funny (ironic) and some would appreciate it, since we did have a good meeting of the minds earlier tonight.  

 

[other one]

12 hours ago, artsylady said:

5 minutes ago, artsylady said:

I really had no intention of coming back here tonight, or maybe ever,  but a Native facebook friend had this on her wall.  Thought it was funny (ironic) and some would appreciate it, since we did have a good meeting of the minds earlier tonight.  

 

I highly doubt that you will.   I actually asked a serious question earlier and no one is responding.  What about John Kasich? ??  

I posted that or one like it, on my facebook feed back in January.....

 

as for kasich.......  My personal reasons not to vote for him agrees with this from

http://opinion.injo.com/2015/08/246564-vote-john-kasich-vote-obamacare-heres/

 

[MorningGlory]

58 minutes ago, artsylady said:

Well, maybe you've never heard it said but I sure have.  "America was founded on Biblical principals and values by our forefathers!"  etc. etc, where they quote the constitution yadayada.     You've never heard anything like that? 

Of course I've heard it.  I wasn't raised by wolves.  I just object to your ugly comments about Americans and you might as well get used to that.

[other one]

1 hour ago, artsylady said:

Well, maybe you've never heard it said but I sure have.  "America was founded on Biblical principals and values by our forefathers!"  etc. etc, where they quote the constitution yadayada.     You've never heard anything like that? 

Our people made this country great, but our government isn't nor ever has been Christian....   One only needs to look into the archecture of our capitol to get a grip on what the founding fathers were into.  You won't find Jesus, but pagan gods.   The dome of the Capitol has a fresco of George Washington with the title "The Apotheosis of Washington"   showing George Washington being turned into one of the pagan gods.

If you have the time I can send you the URL of three movies about the founding of America...   It is 5 or 6 hours long so I can't post them here for it's just too much to ask the mods to check....   pm me and I'll send them to you.

Like I said, the majority of Americans were hard working moral people that made this country great and it worked for the first hundred or so years the Government stayed out of our lives and let the country grow and expand.....   and we would be much better off if they would leave us alone today.