ccfromsc Posted April 27, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 58 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 17 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/16/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted April 27, 2016 19 minutes ago, Butero said: Yes, that is what the fool said. That is not what the Bible is saying. Having read that stupid accusation from you and the way you are perverting scripture, I would have to concur with Manuel that you are clearly a heretic. I am trying to show the "points" the KJV Only make. The KJV does say word for word there is no God, does it not? it is a simple yes or no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccfromsc Posted April 27, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 58 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 17 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/16/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted April 27, 2016 5 minutes ago, Butero said: It states that the fool said there is no God. It doesn't say there is no God. You have no point. Context matters. you can't even answer a question correctly. Are you saying I am a "fool?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccfromsc Posted April 27, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 58 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 17 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/16/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted April 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, Butero said: By the way, I am still waiting on your 30,000 changes to the text, because I suspect that the vast majority are spelling of words. Feel free to number them. I would also point out that this entire argument about so-called revisions has zero to do with the translation. You just had the Bible published many times over. That is no different than a book being published in 1970, and then a new edition is published in 1973, 1978 and 1984 because it continues to sell. The text is the same. There could be typos due to publishing errors, but it is not a different book, and neither are all of these so called revisions to the KJV Bible. This is nothing but propaganda from a false prophet. You funny! OK you say the KJV is the "perfect" bible as you say then answer me this: why did it have the apocrypha in it and why was it removed? The apocrypha was originally included.... so should that remain? and Since it was taken out would that not mean it is not so "perfect" just by the logic you use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccfromsc Posted April 27, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 58 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 17 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/16/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted April 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, Butero said: I realize this states there is no God, but I wouldn't use that quote to say the ESV says there is no God. For me to do that, I would have to be a liar who is trying to twist something they didn't say in order to attack the ESV. I wouldn't dream of doing that, because I don't have to make things up. There is enough legitimate issues with the translation where I don't have to make up false accusations like that. Are you saying that I am a fool for stating the KJV says word for word there is no God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saved34 Posted April 27, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,185 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 667 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/28/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1971 Share Posted April 27, 2016 5 hours ago, manuelf324 said: Amen praise the Lord john and 1st john are the lost world favorite books for One reason! it's all about Gods love. FYI its about Gods love for the saved not the lost. My favorite book is Romans because its about his Wrath and obedience toward him. Which one is God? Both of them God is love but hes not a huge carebear in heaven wanting to hug everyone.! HIS WRATH IS COMING SOON! Know your God! Know who you worship how can you do that by reading different Bible daily? Brother if you truly read Romans you would know it is one of the richest books declaring Gods love and grace. That wrath you are so proud of and enamored with? God said everyone of us are guilty. Romans is where we get the greatest of biblical truth which is God justifying the hellbound sinner who trust Christ, apart from any work or merit on his part. If all you see is wrath in Romans, then you really miss the entire theme. "Romans 5:7-8 NIV Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. [8] But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccfromsc Posted April 27, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 58 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 17 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/16/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted April 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Butero said: If you are saying there is no God, you are most certainly a fool, but I haven't heard you say that. Again the KJV says word for word there is no God. Plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghtan Posted April 27, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 422 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 216 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/21/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted April 27, 2016 5 hours ago, Butero said: There is a problem with your argument here. I have more than one modern English translation, and they both leave out or include different verses of scripture. If you were correct in what you say, they would all include the exact same verses and leave out the exact same verses. This can lead to only one conclusion. Assuming they all used the critical text as their starting point, and assuming that they would therefore only include verses in the critical text, that means some of the modern translations added verses to the text. Either way you go, I have you, because they are not consistent in what they are using. I don’t know what differences you are referring to, but it does not surprise me that there might be some. Contrary to what you say, the modern translations do not all start with the same critical text. And even those using the same text might not prefer the same variant readings within the text. Therefore there are bound to be differences. No mystery in it. Conversely, those differences prove there is no devil-inspired conspiracy against the KJV. If there were, the modern translations would be more consistent so as to put up a united front against the KJV. I was surprised you brought up those differences, because I think they dent your case rather than help it. That said, what IS common among the modern translations is that they do NOT start with the TR as their base text and therefore they cannot be accused of REMOVING verses from the TR/KJV. The latter gives the impression of ulterior motive or a hidden agenda when in fact there is none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deborah_ Posted April 27, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 790 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 878 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/07/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted April 27, 2016 On 25 April 2016 at 9:06 PM, Deborah_ said: Check out the facts first before spreading slander. For example: "Sought counsel from a lesbian in the translation of I Corinth 6:9 making it ambiguously pro-gay" "Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men.... will inherit the kingdom of God." Um... I'm sorry, but I don't see anything ambiguous or 'pro-gay' about that. 6 hours ago, Butero said: I didn't make that accusation about the NIV being pro-gay. I said they were wrong in translating a word. It should be effeminate, not a man that has sex with another man. As a matter of fact, the person that said the NIV was "pro-gay" actually said another verse was altered to be pro-gay, not the one you mentioned. I have nothing to do with that argument, so you need to ask him about it. I am just saying that the verse in 1 Corinthians 6:9 is a clear example of a mistranslation by the NIV on something important. I included, word for word, the original accusation. It definitely specifies I Corinthians 6:9. The charge is unsubstantiated. As to whether the NIV is a mistranslation, that's your opinion against the opinion of expert Greek scholars. I'll go with the experts, unless you can produce some evidence to back your opinion up. It's quite possible that the word 'effeminate' has changed its meaning and connotations in the last 400 years - in which case, we could both be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 27, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,138 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,859 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 27, 2016 4 hours ago, Deborah_ said: As to whether the NIV is a mistranslation, that's your opinion against the opinion of expert Greek scholars. I'll go with the experts, unless you can produce some evidence to back your opinion up. It's quite possible that the word 'effeminate' has changed its meaning and connotations in the last 400 years - in which case, we could both be right. NT:3120 NT:3120 malako/$ malakos (mal-ak-os'); of uncertain affinity; soft, i.e. fine (clothing); figuratively, a catamite: (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuelf324 Posted April 27, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 210 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 160 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/28/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted April 27, 2016 8 hours ago, saved34 said: Brother if you truly read Romans you would know it is one of the richest books declaring Gods love and grace. That wrath you are so proud of and enamored with? God said everyone of us are guilty. Romans is where we get the greatest of biblical truth which is God justifying the hellbound sinner who trust Christ, apart from any work or merit on his part. If all you see is wrath in Romans, then you really miss the entire theme. "Romans 5:7-8 NIV Im not your brother I dont read from the NIV im not a Catholic anymore. In the KJV version Romans is a bit different than the NIV LORD Jesus will tell you all about in the Great White throne Rom 1:18 For the WRATH of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; "DOES THE NIV SAY LOVE INSTEAD OF WRATH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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