Understanding the Final One Seven

[Montana Marv]

We know the  7 - Sevens and 62 - Sevens are long past.  Each seven is equivalent to a 7 year period.  This final One Seven has been in dispute for eons.  Let's do some math.

5 plus 2 totals 7.  4 plus 2 plus 1 totals 7.  3 1/2 plus 3 1/2 totals 7.  3 plus 3 plus 1 totals 7.  and 7 plus zero totals 7.  Which of the preceding is truly a One Seven.  (Only the 7 plus zero totals 7).  Or

7(5 and 2) plus zero is a whole One Seven.  7(4 and 2 and 1) plus zero is a whole One Seven.  7(3 1/2 and 3 1/2) plus zero is a whole One Seven.  Yet Daniel 9:27 says - he will confirm a covenant with many for One Seven, and then in the middle of the Seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering and on a wing of the temple he will set up the A/D.

So the only One Seven which is acceptable is 7(3 1/2 and 3 1/2); this does not total 7, for it is 7.  Thus this last One Seven cannot be divided and separated by time.  It is all inclusive.  And let the drum roll --- either this Final One Seven has been fulfilled or this Final One Seven is yet Future.

So the 70 Sevens Prophecy is a timeline for when Daniels people (Israel) and Daniels holy city (Jerusalem) will receive the six benefits of v. 27.  When they do receive these 6 benefits, they will have acknowledged Jesus Christ as their Messiah.  And thus fulfilling Zech 12:10 - And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication.  They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieves bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

Has Israel accepted Jesus Christ as their Messiah, if not, then the 70th One Final Week is still yet in our future.

I know this will be a stumbling block to many of you.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

[WilliamL]

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

So the only One Seven which is acceptable is 7(3 1/2 and 3 1/2); this does not total 7, for it is 7.  Thus this last One Seven cannot be divided and separated by time.  It is all inclusive.  And let the drum roll --- either this Final One Seven has been fulfilled or this Final One Seven is yet Future.

I agree.

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

So the 70 Sevens Prophecy is a timeline for when Daniels people (Israel) and Daniels holy city (Jerusalem) will receive the six benefits of v. 27. ...Has Israel accepted Jesus Christ as their Messiah, if not, then the 70th One Final Week is still yet in our future.

You mean verse 24. And this is where you continually add to the Scripture a meaning that is simply not there.

Dan. 9:24 "Seventy weeks are decreed upon thy people..."

Decreed upon, not for: the Hebrew preposition עַל is clear: upon, over, against (with a downward aspect). These 6 things are not shown to exclusively be benefits for Daniel's people, they are decrees to be fulfilled upon that people, whether or not they receive the benefits. And one of those decrees -- "to finish the transgression/pesha/rebellion/apostasy" -- was not beneficial at all to those who were killed in their rebellion against Rome in the Jewish war of 66-73 AD.

Dan. 9:26 And till the end of the war desolations are determined. 27... Even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate.

Luke 21:20 "...when you see Jerusalem surrounded with armies, know that its desolation is near."

Matt. 23:32 "Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt. ...that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth... 37 "O Jerusalem... 38 ...your house is left to you desolate."

Nothing in Daniel 9:24-27 specifically mentions anything having to do with the End Times. It doesn’t mention at all

– any abomination of desolation of the Holy Place;

– the time of the end/latter time/latter days, or any similar term;

– the Great Tribulation/time of trouble such as never was;

– the saints, or any flight of God’s people;

– Messiah’s coming in the clouds, Divine Judgment, and/or the establishment of God’s kingdom;

– the coming prince’s demise;

– or the raising of the dead.

These topics are discussed elsewhere in Daniel’s End Time prophecies. Why not here? Because this is not a prophecy for the end of Church Age, but rather for the Jewish Age.

[Ezra]

8 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Has Israel accepted Jesus Christ as their Messiah, if not, then the 70th One Final Week is still yet in our future.

The 70th week of Daniel is certainly in the future since the Abomination of Desolation and the Great Tribulation (the Day of the Lord) are tied together, the first triggering the second.

The way to understand Daniel's 70th week and its relation to the future of Israel is to actually look at the words used in this passage.

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people  = 490 years assigned to Israel, with the first 483 years already fulfilled by AD 32, and the last 7 years to precede the following:

and upon thy holy city, = the key city is Jerusalem

to finish the transgression,  =  to put an end to idolatry, particularly the Abomination itself

and to make an end of sins, = to end the sin and rebellion of Israel

and to make reconciliation for iniquity, = to reconcile Israel to God

and to bring in everlasting righteousness, = to usher in the Millennium followed by everlasting righteousness

and to seal up the vision and prophecy, =  to fulfill all prophecies pertaining to Israel

and to anoint the most Holy. = to establish the Millennial Kingdom

[Montana Marv]

William

Dan 9:27 - he will confirm a covenant with many for ONE WEEK (see the word ONE, the final week of the 70 Weeks).  In the middle of the Seven (One needs to have a Whole One Seven to have a midpoint)

Matt 24:15 - So when you see standing in the holy place, the A/D spoken by the prophet Daniel, let the reader understand; then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.  Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house.  Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak.  So if one looks closely, one who is (working) in the field not to  go back to retrieve his cloak.  This puts an axe into the 70 AD scenario, for all in and around Jerusalem who were under siege, they could not flee.  This tells those to flee once they see the A/D set up or standing in the holy place, not before as in 70 AD.  Titus did not get into the Temple until they broke the Jewish lines of defense, and then the temple was burning with gold dripping down, Titus's army had destroyed most of the Temple before Titus got there..  You are the one who is adding to Scripture.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Last Daze]

22 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

We know the  7 - Sevens and 62 - Sevens are long past.  Each seven is equivalent to a 7 year period.  This final One Seven has been in dispute for eons.  Let's do some math.

5 plus 2 totals 7.  4 plus 2 plus 1 totals 7.  3 1/2 plus 3 1/2 totals 7.  3 plus 3 plus 1 totals 7.  and 7 plus zero totals 7.  Which of the preceding is truly a One Seven.  (Only the 7 plus zero totals 7).  Or

7(5 and 2) plus zero is a whole One Seven.  7(4 and 2 and 1) plus zero is a whole One Seven.  7(3 1/2 and 3 1/2) plus zero is a whole One Seven.  Yet Daniel 9:27 says - he will confirm a covenant with many for One Seven, and then in the middle of the Seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering and on a wing of the temple he will set up the A/D.

So the only One Seven which is acceptable is 7(3 1/2 and 3 1/2); this does not total 7, for it is 7.  Thus this last One Seven cannot be divided and separated by time.  It is all inclusive.  And let the drum roll --- either this Final One Seven has been fulfilled or this Final One Seven is yet Future.

So the 70 Sevens Prophecy is a timeline for when Daniels people (Israel) and Daniels holy city (Jerusalem) will receive the six benefits of v. 27.  When they do receive these 6 benefits, they will have acknowledged Jesus Christ as their Messiah.  And thus fulfilling Zech 12:10 - And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication.  They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieves bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

Has Israel accepted Jesus Christ as their Messiah, if not, then the 70th One Final Week is still yet in our future.

I know this will be a stumbling block to many of you.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

I've yet to hear a good explanation as to how a covenant can be confirmed for seven years when it's broken in the middle, or am I missing something?

[Montana Marv]

13 hours ago, Last Daze said:

I've yet to hear a good explanation as to how a covenant can be confirmed for seven years when it's broken in the middle, or am I missing something?

You must have missed Daniel 9:27.  An explanation is not needed.  Take the prophecy of this Word by Faith.  Thank you for your response.  If one says the covenant is broken in the middle, it confirms the last One Seven is a whole One Seven, and not broken up and divided by time.  The one who confirmed the covenant broke his promise.  So it is not of the Godhead.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Last Daze]

9 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

You must have missed Daniel 9:27.  An explanation is not needed.  Take the prophecy of this Word by Faith.  Thank you for your response.  If one says the covenant is broken in the middle, it confirms the last One Seven is a whole One Seven, and not broken up and divided by time.  The one who confirmed the covenant broke his promise.  So it is not of the Godhead.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Either the covenant is confirmed for seven years, or it is confirmed for ~3.5 years and then broken.  It can't be both.  Here is what Daniel 9:27 states:

• And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:  Daniel 9:27a

How long is the covenant confirmed for?  Seven years.  If the covenant is broken, it ceases being confirmed doesn't it?  If the covenant is broken before the full seven years is completed then it isn't confirmed for seven years.  Is it?

The confirming of the covenant last for a full seven years according to Daniel 9:27.

 

[WilliamL]

On 4/1/2016 at 5:51 PM, Montana Marv said:

Dan 9:27 - he will confirm a covenant with many for ONE WEEK (see the word ONE, the final week of the 70 Weeks).  In the middle of the Seven (One needs to have a Whole One Seven to have a midpoint)

Matt 24:15 - So when you see standing in the holy place, the A/D spoken by the prophet Daniel, let the reader understand; then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.  Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house.  Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak.  So if one looks closely, one who is (working) in the field not to  go back to retrieve his cloak.  This puts an axe into the 70 AD scenario, for all in and around Jerusalem who were under siege, they could not flee.

You are falsely conjoining two entirely different prophecies. Matt. 24:15's "abomination of desolation" has nothing at all to do with Daniel 9:27, in which that phrase does not exist in the Hebrew text.

Jesus takes that exact phrase from the End Time prophecy of Daniel 12:11, not the first century AD fulfillment of Dan. 9:27

[WilliamL]

On 4/1/2016 at 5:15 PM, Ezra said:

and to make an end of sins, = to end the sin and rebellion of Israel ...

There will be sin even during the Millennium, so your interpretation cannot be true. Jesus Christ put an end to our sins on the cross, when his blood atoned for and thus did away with the sins of all who believe in him. Only that "makes an end of sins," nothing else.

and to bring in everlasting righteousness, = to usher in the Millennium followed by everlasting righteousness

Everlasting righteousness, again, will not exist in the Millennium except in Christ, who brought it in with the Atonement.

and to anoint the most Holy. = to establish the Millennial Kingdom

The Millennial Kingdom is to be "anointed"? No, Jesus was anointed. Emphasis on was.

[Montana Marv]

52 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Either the covenant is confirmed for seven years, or it is confirmed for ~3.5 years and then broken.  It can't be both.  Here is what Daniel 9:27 states:

• And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:  Daniel 9:27a

How long is the covenant confirmed for?  Seven years.  If the covenant is broken, it ceases being confirmed doesn't it?  If the covenant is broken before the full seven years is completed then it isn't confirmed for seven years.  Is it?

The confirming of the covenant last for a full seven years according to Daniel 9:27.

 

Last Daze

If the covenant was in play for the entire 7 years, why then did Israel need to flee to the mountains.  Something must have be broken, causing them to flee.  Like not being allowed the their Temple anymore, and it being disgraced.

Kind of like saying wedding vows  "until death do us part";  many have broken this, and some more than once.

In Christ

Montana Marv