YOUR Church has put a DRESS CODE in place!

[Running Gator]

10 minutes ago, Butero said:

I haven't changed anything.  What I have done is shown that pants pertain to a man and given you examples.  Now you are at odds with the Bible once again by calling it sexist to see men as the head of the home.  If you want to debate that, I will destroy you, because I have a mountain of scriptures that show the husband is the head of the wife from the New and Old Testament. 

I am a bit slow today, but it has just stuck me.  All of your examples that pants pertain to men proves my theory that society dictates this very thing.  You have no biblical support, only what society has dictated. Thanks for helping make my point so well!  

[Running Gator]

2 minutes ago, Butero said:

Society didn't dictate anything.  Feminine verses masculine did.  I know when I see a flowery dress, that is feminine, and when I see jeans, that is masculine.  At the same time, I showed how society recognized this until feminism came along and perverted things.  On the other hand, you have come in and directly opposed the Bible by saying it is ok for women to wear men's clothes.  You made my point that when it comes to women, there is a double standard, and even things directly against God's Word will be defended by those on your side. 

Jeans are masculine because the society you grew up in told you they were, that is the only reason. I didn't say ok for women to wear men's clothes, I disagreed with what constitutes men's clothings.  You determine what is men's clothing by what department it was bought in and what you were taught growing up.  Had you grown up in Samoa you would think that it was purely masculine to wear a flowery skirt. 

[creativemechanic]

I never said that. What I'm saying is we easily conform to the worlds dress mandates but become defensive when the church applies them. Why?

[Running Gator]

1 minute ago, Butero said:

I grew up around women wearing jeans and still think it is wrong.  I believe that I would oppose men wearing a flowery skirt even if I grew up in Samoa, once I saw what the Bible had to say.  You took a position different from the women here in that you said it is ok for women to wear men's clothing that was manufactured and sold to men.  If that doesn't automatically make them men's clothing, what does?  Is it your shirt or not that your wife was wearing? 

So, based upon this, if any piece of clothing is manufactured and sold to men, is automatically men's clothing.   So, if a dress is  manufactured and sold to men, then that dress is now men's clothing.  Gotcha!   

[Running Gator]

Just now, Butero said:

No sir.  I am using the argument of the women here that are debating me. 

Now you confused me again...does something being manufactured and sold to men make it automatically make them men's clothing or not? Because when you added "what does" at the end that seemed to indicate that you thought it was true.

[Running Gator]

Just now, Butero said:

What makes a man's shirt different from a woman's blouse?  The buttons and the way they are sewed on for one thing.  There is also a question that has existed over a blouse verses a shirt and whether or not shirts are really men's clothing.  I am not going down that road, but it is food for thought. 

Is a blouse purely a woman's article of clothing?

[Running Gator]

Just now, Butero said:

Definitely.  It is the shirt that is in question.  I would tend to think it is unisex, but recently, I was watching a movie where a woman was saying how she didn't own any dresses or blouses.  Only pants and shirts, and she was clearly being made out as more of a Tom Boy and not feminine.  She was being contrasted to another woman.  That made me at least consider the issue of the blouse and what women used to wear before they started wearing pants.  I haven't done enough research on this subject to draw any clear conclusions.  There is more than enough of a fight over pants verses dresses. 

Curious, when I was in the military the top part of my fatigues were called a blouse.  I wonder if all those men in the military know they are an abomination to God. 

[Running Gator]

1 minute ago, Butero said:

I would just say they made the wrong choice of words for something that was not a blouse. 

plural 

blouses

 play\ˈblau̇-səz, -zəz\

1. 1a :  a long loose overgarment that resembles a shirt or smock and is worn especially by workmen, artists, and peasantsb :  the jacket of a uniform

[Running Gator]

1 minute ago, Butero said:

Then what this tells me is there are different definitions for this word.  The type of blouse I am referring to is for women only.  A lot of words have different meanings. 

Which leads us back to society and how we are raised dictating how we view clothing.  Which of course is why God made it so vague in the bible.  But some people just cant live with that.

[Running Gator]

6 minutes ago, Butero said:

If we are back to that argument, and society dictates everything, women wearing clothes made and manufactured for men are an abomination to them, because society said one pair of jeans is made for men and another for women.  The same thing applies to shirts.  We are back to square one, and this works against your wife wearing your shirts.  Society says that is a man's shirt.  Is that your final answer to this complex question? 

The mistake you are making is assuming that because something is marketed to one group it means it is solely meant for that group.   You are the one proving time and time again that society dictates what is meant for a woman and what is meant for a man.  And if that is true, then you also have to admit that those standards are subject to change.  As for the shirt my wife likes to wear, I have seen ads with women wearing them.