The Soviet Union or Nazi Germany

[spiderman1917]

I'm curious what the general consensus is among Christians as to which government would make their life more miserable.

Communism absolutely hated and outlawed Christianity and is intrinsically atheist.  Nazi Germany allowed military chaplains, churches, and people could practice their Christian faith..

Of course you will say I hate both of them, but there is one that will make the Christian life on average more miserable and difficult to know or practice the faith than the other.  Which do you think it is?

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[spiderman1917]

Ethnic cleansing began with Stalin before Hitler did it, and Stalin was responsible for the deaths of more people than Hitler, some estimates are 60 million.

Communists argue that the USSR was okay during the reign of Lenin.  Lenin instituted the secret police and "red terror".  He passionately had heartless bloodthirsty hatred for Christians.  If a communist says Stalin was not what communism is about.  Look at the Leninist Soviet Union.

For anyone who thinks the Soviet Union was not that bad under Lenin:
 

""At Odessa the Cheka tied White officers to planks and slowly fed them into furnaces or tanks of boiling water; inKharkiv, scalpings and hand-flayings were commonplace: the skin was peeled off victims' hands to produce "gloves"; theVoronezh Cheka rolled naked people around in barrels studded internally with nails;

victims were crucified or stoned to death atDnipropetrovsk; the Cheka atKremenchukimpaled members of the clergy and buried alive rebelling peasants; in Orel, water was poured on naked prisoners bound in the winter streets until they became living ice statues;

in Kiev, Chinese Chekadetachments placed rats in iron tubes sealed at one end with wire netting and the other placed against the body of a prisoner, with the tubes being heated until the rats gnawed through the victim's body in an effort to escape.[30]

Executions took place in prison cellars or courtyards, or occasionally on the outskirts of town, during the Red Terror and Russian civil war. ...

....littered with corpses and soaked with blood. Victims killed outside the town were moved by truck, bound and gagged, to their place of execution, where they sometimes were made to dig their own graves.[31]

According to Edvard Radzinsky, "it became a common practice to take a husband hostage and wait for his wife to come and purchase his life with her body".[3] DuringDecossackization, there were massacres, according to historian Robert Gellately, "on an unheard of scale."

The Pyatigorsk Cheka organized a "day of Red Terror" .....lack of a better idea," killed all the patients in the hospital..... Gellately adds that Communist leaders "sought to justify their ethnic-based massacres by incorporating them into the rubric of the 'class struggle'".[32]

Members of the clergy were subjected to particularly brutal abuse. According to documents cited by the late Alexander Yakovlev, then head of the Presidential Committee for the Rehabilitation of Victims of Political Repression, priests, monks and nuns were crucified, thrown into cauldrons of boiling tar, scalped, strangled, given Communion with melted lead and drowned in holes in the ice.[33]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror

Totally Demonic!

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[The_Patriot21]

its a hypothetical....im not sure I would want to  live in either, though I guess if I absolutly HAD to choose, I would say the USSR., mainly due to its size, one could disappear among the numbers. Though, its a moot point, we dont live in those days. Today? Im beginning to wonder if Russia would be a better place to live then the US.

[spiderman1917]

14 minutes ago, The_Patriot2016 said:

its a hypothetical....im not sure I would want to  live in either, though I guess if I absolutly HAD to choose, I would say the USSR., mainly due to its size, one could disappear among the numbers. Though, its a moot point, we dont live in those days. Today? Im beginning to wonder if Russia would be a better place to live then the US.

The Soviets targeted Christians simply for following Jesus ( Hitler did not Target people for being Christian).  

They would sevee hands and Limbs and pluck out eyes and find the cruelest things to do to people sometimes keeping them isolated and tortured for years at a time, and rape and kill wife and kids in front of them.

Hitler put people before firing squads ,  gassed them, and had them hung.  That is quick and almost humane in comparison.

 Every Government obviously including the United  has a satanic influence, but some governments are more satanic than others, and the Soviet Union was 100% demonic in their hatred for Christ and the brutality against his followers.

Nazism didn't express any hatred for Christianity.

But I like your answer...Russia has many places to hide

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[Ezra]

Both regimes are expressions of Satanic evil, and it is only a matter of degree as to which is more evil.  As to preference, neither.

[other one]

Well considering our own treatment of Native Americans and people of color, and at the same time of the Russian Reveloution, the amount of things done in the name of Eugenics, we shouldn't cast stones...

When you get right down to it the whole of global governments pulls a very strong vacuum.....   and has since the days of Nimrod, and before that the whole world in general.

[The_Patriot21]

8 hours ago, spiderman1917 said:

The Soviets targeted Christians simply for following Jesus ( Hitler did not Target people for being Christian).  

They would sevee hands and Limbs and pluck out eyes and find the cruelest things to do to people sometimes keeping them isolated and tortured for years at a time, and rape and kill wife and kids in front of them.

Hitler put people before firing squads ,  gassed them, and had them hung.  That is quick and almost humane in comparison.

 Every Government obviously including the United  has a satanic influence, but some governments are more satanic than others, and the Soviet Union was 100% demonic in their hatred for Christ and the brutality against his followers.

Nazism didn't express any hatred for Christianity.

But I like your answer...Russia has many places to hide

Actually, Hitler went after pretty much every minority...about the only Christians he didn't target were those who didn't get in his way. And have you read about Hitler's concentration camps? There was nothing humans about those! Don't get me wrong Stalin was just as bad, but if you think that Hitler was any different or more humane then you need to study your history books my friend. The only reason Stalin's kill rate was higher is because he was on the winning side of the war....

[spiderman1917]

1 hour ago, The_Patriot2016 said:

Actually, Hitler went after pretty much every minority...about the only Christians he didn't target were those who didn't get in his way. And have you read about Hitler's concentration camps? There was nothing humans about those! Don't get me wrong Stalin was just as bad, but if you think that Hitler was any different or more humane then you need to study your history books my friend. The only reason Stalin's kill rate was higher is because he was on the winning side of the war....

Hitler went after people who opposed him. Stalin hated Christians and any belief in God or prayer life. That was not Hitler.  Hitler had military chaplains in his military and Christian services and prayers among soldiers especially when burying the dead.

Hitler killed more Christians than he killed Jews, but the difference is he didn't kill them FOR being Christian.  Stalin would have you put in a concentration camp for owning a Bible. Hitler wouldn't care if you own the Bible.

Yes, Nazi concentration camps were very bad , but one reason why so many people starve to death in those camps was because the Germans themselves were starving to death.

When Hitler  had mass executions it was usually done in a manner where the person died very quickly. When the Russians went after Christians it was to torture, force them to blaspheme and commit sacrilege, and humiliate them , and butcher hem in most satanic fashion and try to get them to lose their soul.

They would rape nuns, women, and children force them into immoral sexual acts and shoot them in the head as soon as they blaspheme to try to get them to die  in blasphemy and lose their soul.

Totally satanic to the core, yet we hear about how ugly Nazi Germany was (and it was hideously ugly) but in school I never heard about the Soviet Union.  Their bigotry towards Christians was no less uglier than Hitler's bigotry towards the Jews and the manner in which Christians were tortured and executed and the quantity of them, I would rather be a victim of Nazi Germany.

[Guest Teditis]

Your understanding of the history of the 3rd Reich, Hitler and the genocidal massacres that they performed is

sorely lacking. Hitler was anti-Christian and had his own theological beliefs... had he survived WWII he would

have developed those ideologies more into the running of his country/empire. He praised Lucifer for his successes.

We are the joyous Hitler youth,
We do not need any Christian virtue
Our leader is our savior
The Pope and Rabbi shall be gone
We want to be pagans once again.”

- Song sung by Hitler youth

[spiderman1917]

Yes he exalted himself greatly and wanted to be worshipped.  On the same token, he spoke highly of Martin Luther and he allowed there to be churches , Christian chaplains, and bibles, something Joseph Stalin put people in concentration camps for.