The End of the Gentile World System.

[Marilyn C]

On ‎18‎/‎05‎/‎2016 at 3:56 PM, TrevorL said:

Greetings again Marilyn C,

No, God has not clearly given the interpretation of each symbol, but many of them can be understood by careful examination, using various methods and understanding history, and by prayer and humility. I do not suggest that all rivers are symbols of Political Power and yes this would be ridiculous.  

 

It appears that you take the Euphrates here to be literal, but I believe it is a symbol. Revelation 9:13-19, the 6^th Trumpet, seems to be speaking of military activity, the expansion of a Political Power. Revelation 16 speaks of the drying up of that same Political and Military Power. Possibly we have a different view of who these “kings of the east” are. There is a slight echo of Cyrus taking Babylon in the language used, and this was drying up the Euphrates that was passing through the city – nothing to do with crossing over the river. A river these days does not hinder an army, so your suggestion does not seem practical or relevant.

 

I link the latter day little horn of the goat of Daniel 8 with the latter day king of the north of Daniel 11, and thus this king of the north is Roman in character, not Muslim.

 

Yes, I believe that this is talking of Russia who comes from the far north, but he descends first to take over the role of the Roman King of the North when he takes Turkey.

 

Kind regards

Trevor

 

Hi Trevor,

Thanks for sharing your views. It seems we are so way different that I find it hard as to where to discuss profitably. One subject develops into another that we see as different & so on.

So I`ll just say a few words regarding the symbols.

In our language (which God made) we use the terms - `as a,` `like a ` to denote a symbol. Where that is not the case then we see that the language is pictorial eg. woman with the sun, moon & 12 stars. We can see clearly that that is symbolic language. Then instead of speculating we look in God`s word for His interpretation of His symbolic picture. Thus nothing is left to us. If we go beyond those guidelines then we are making a nonsense of God`s word for it is then up to any one`s opinion.

Hope that helps. Marilyn

 

[Marilyn C]

Hi Trevor & Murphy,

That view you are saying - Western nations are the scattered tribes of Israel & Judah the other part. Did you realise that that doctrine formerly called `British Israel` is a false doctrine & not even allowed here on Worthy. So I`d be careful if I were you, bros. And also discuss with someone who can show you the errors of that teaching.

Regards, Marilyn.  

[n2thelight]

41 minutes ago, Murphy said:

Wow!

 

There are not many of us.....who SEE!

 

Yes, the Western nations, traditionally Christian nations, are the scattered Israelites.

Yes, and Judah.........Judah has kept the Torah, not blameless by any means, but, they have done their part.

The Nation State, that is another matter.

 

Glad to see you get it.

 

Very encouraging to me.

You just did the same 

[n2thelight]

43 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Trevor & Murphy,

That view you are saying - Western nations are the scattered tribes of Israel & Judah the other part. Did you realise that that doctrine formerly called `British Israel` is a false doctrine & not even allowed here on Worthy. So I`d be careful if I were you, bros. And also discuss with someone who can show you the errors of that teaching.

Regards, Marilyn.  

Hello Marilyn

British Israel is some what flawed,however one cannot deny the fact to whom the prophesied  blessings came,and that being the Christian nations of today....

 

Genesis 35:11 "And God said unto him, "I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;"

Where are these nations?

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Marilyn C,

29 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

In our language (which God made) we use the terms - `as a,` `like a ` to denote a symbol. Where that is not the case then we see that the language is pictorial eg. woman with the sun, moon & 12 stars. We can see clearly that that is symbolic language. Then instead of speculating we look in God`s word for His interpretation of His symbolic picture. Thus nothing is left to us. If we go beyond those guidelines then we are making a nonsense of God`s word for it is then up to any one`s opinion.

 

I appreciate your comments. Yes we have a different view of much of what we have discussed. Perhaps the Book of Revelation is not the best Scriptural portion to discuss our different views. To establish and explain the meaning of the various symbols in the Book of Revelation would take more time and space than what is available and practical on a forum.

 

26 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Trevor & Murphy,

That view you are saying - Western nations are the scattered tribes of Israel & Judah the other part. Did you realise that that doctrine formerly called `British Israel` is a false doctrine & not even allowed here on Worthy. So I`d be careful if I were you, bros. And also discuss with someone who can show you the errors of that teaching.

 

I certainly do not endorse the concept of British Israelism, and I believe that most of the "Christian" nations and individuals of today are astray from the Apostolic teaching and have not and will not receive the blessings of the gospel in their fullness, both now and at the coming of Christ.

 

Kind regards

Trevor

 

[Marilyn C]

8 minutes ago, TrevorL said:

Greetings again Marilyn C,

 

I appreciate your comments. Yes we have a different view of much of what we have discussed. Perhaps the Book of Revelation is not the best Scriptural portion to discuss our different views. To establish and explain the meaning of the various symbols in the Book of Revelation would take more time and space than what is available and practical on a forum.

 

 

I certainly do not endorse the concept of British Israelism, and I believe that most of the "Christian" nations and individuals of today are astray from the Apostolic teaching and have not and will not receive the blessings of the gospel in their fullness, both now and at the coming of Christ.

 

Kind regards

Trevor

 

Hi Trevor,

That`s great that you have not been caught up in that false doctrine. As to your last comment may I ask, what has Christ & His Holy Spirit been doing for nearly 2000 years? If we get off track too much we can always start another thread.  We may have more connection on that one. (lol)

regards, Marilyn.

Edited May 19, 2016 by Marilyn C

[n2thelight]

Genesis 35:11 "And God said unto him, "I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;"

Where are these nations?

[Marilyn C]

31 minutes ago, n2thelight said:

Hello Marilyn

British Israel is some what flawed,however one cannot deny the fact to whom the prophesied  blessings came,and that being the Christian nations of today....

 

Genesis 35:11 "And God said unto him, "I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;"

Where are these nations?

Hi n2thelight,

Sorry I missed your post but it came in my e-mails, so I had to hunt for it. Yes different nations have been blessed as they have helped Israel. However I do not believe in such a thing as a `Christian nation.` there are only Christian people, believers who are in the Body of Christ & are from every nation of the earth. A nation who follows God`s laws are blessed but their government is always of man, whereas we, the Body of Christ have Christ as our Head. Two different authorities there.

Marilyn. 

[Marilyn C]

6 minutes ago, n2thelight said:

Genesis 35:11 "And God said unto him, "I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;"

Where are these nations?

Hi n2thelight,

Good question there.

company - Heb. `qahal` assemblage, company, congregation, multitude.

We know that from Abraham through Isaac & then Jacob came 12 tribes, companies of people. These great companies we know from God`s word have been scattered through out the world & many are returning to Israel. A person of that descent knows who they are & what tribe as that is passed on from generation to generation. They are NOT any of the other nations of the world who are called Gentiles.

Marilyn.

 

[Guest shiloh357]

1 hour ago, Murphy said:

Wow!

 

There are not many of us.....who SEE!

 

Yes, the Western nations, traditionally Christian nations, are the scattered Israelites.

Yes, and Judah.........Judah has kept the Torah, not blameless by any means, but, they have done their part.

The Nation State, that is another matter.

 

Glad to see you get it.

 

Very encouraging to me.

Yeah, that is some pretty egregious false teaching.    Israel and Judah only ever refer to the physical descendants  of Jacob.  Nowhere in the Bible are western nations called "Israel."   You appear to the adhere to the "British  Israelism"  cult.  

This is a board that supports the modern state of Israel and does not ascribe to the doctrines of British Israelism.