Water was not created

[LeavesSeeds]

Too simple, really.

Try and show where in Scripture the devil (and not Havah)  tempted Adam. 

Perhaps it is possible (I never thought of this this way before) - let's investigate.....

12 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

Can you disprove it, with Scriptures, answering or giving a rebuttle to the hundres of Scriptures I have posted supporting this?

 

17 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

Sin began with Lucifer on God's Holy Mountain., when Iniquity was found in him. God destroyed the original world Lucifer ruled and all in it, It perished. God later restored the earth and gave Adam, who was created with free moral agency, free will,  rule over it. God allowed the already fallen Lucifer now called Satan, or adversary to enter Adams Eden to tempt him so God would know if Adam would remain true to him before allowing him access to the tree of life. Adam failed but in case he did fail, God had a plan ready which included the Word, who was a spirit being, to become a man with a flesh and bone body, so He could die for mans sins and give us the opportunity to be redeemed upon repentance, and have access to the tree of life, and live forever.

God did not want men to live forever in sin and as sinners so he barred the way to the tree of life in Adams Eden, after Adam failed God.

Gen 3:24,So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

 

Edited June 4, 2016 by LeavesSeeds

[HAZARD]

24 minutes ago, LeavesSeeds said:

Too simple, really.

Try and show where in Scripture the devil (and not Havah)  tempted Adam. 

Perhaps it is possible (I never thought of this this way before) - let's investigate.....

 

 

Eve never tempted Adam.

Eve never believed , or was tempted by Satan, neither did she tempt Adam.  Eve  was duped by the serpent who was in league with Satan. She did eat and gave tot fruit to Adam and he did eat also.

Did you know that it was the serpent and not Satan that actually tempted Eve and caused the fall of man. The devil was too wise to begin with the very head of Gods creation on Earth. He began with the highest of the animal creation, "the serpent," whom even Josephus says lived with Adam and Eve in the garden before the fall.

Whether this is true or not, it is clear from Scripture that the serpent was capable of such subtle work.

The serpent made a league with Lucifer and started opposition to God's Word, which has been Satan's sphere of activity ever since.

The serpent was cursed by God because he was the very first to yield to Satan and to cause the fall of man.

The serpent was cursed above all creatures and was to go upon his belly and eat dust all his days (Isa. 65:25).

He was by this curse deprived of walking upright and of his speech and became a poisonus, loathsome creature, despised by man whom he betrayed and decieved (2 Cor. 11:3; 1 Tim. 2:14).

Most people were taught and believe that Satan was the serpent, but the serpent was not the personal devil at all. He was a tool of the devil, a creature of the field which God had made which is proved by these following points and Scriptures.

[1] This is plainly stated in Genesis 3:1, "Now the serpent was more stubtle (impudent) than any BEAST OF THE FIELD which the Lord God had made."
Satan is a fallen angel, not a beast of the field. The devil does not crawl upon his belly as is true of the serpent.

[2] Not one Scripture anywhere in the entire Bible states or teaches that Satan, as an angel can turn himself into a literal serpent or any other beast.

[3] That the curse upon the serpent continues upon literal snakes even in the Millennium when it (the curse) is removed from all other animals, read (Isa. 65:25).
If a literal serpent was not involved in the fall of man, why should it be cursed above all other creatures and its curse remain during the milennium and eternity?

[4] That the Hebrew word for serpent is nachash, which means a literal snake. It is always used of a literal snake except in Isa. 27:1, where it is clear that no literal snake is refered to.
Following our principle of taking the Bible literally whenever possible, we can conclude that Gen. 3 refers to a literal snake just as it does in every other place except one. In both testaments when the literal meaning is not to be understood it is always clear or it is explained that a literal serpent is not meant (Isa.27:1; Rev.12:9; 20:2).

[5] The language of Gen. 3 is literal, not symbolical, as is Rev. 12:3-17, where the serpent is explained as a symbol of Satan.
Suppose we substitute the word devil every place the word serpent is used in literal passages as Gen. 3; Exodus 4:3; 7:9-15 etc., and note the results. Thus there is no excuse for believing that the serpent of Gen. 3 was not the devil in person.

[6] Eve was acquainted with the literal serpent in the garden, but she knew nothing of the devil; so if the devil, a stranger had appeared to her she would have been afraid to converse with him.
We can come to no other conclusion other than Eve was well aquainted with the serpent and must have talked with him on other occasions to have listened to him and converse with him in Gen 3.

Eve made two serious mistakes. One, she believed the serpent and not God. And two, she also told the first lie.


God created Adam and Eve free moral agents. As such God tested them to see if they would remain true to Him before allowing them access to the tree of life. God commanded Adam and Eve not to eat of one particular tree or they would die. This tree was in the midst or center of the garden, (Gen. 3:3).

"And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen. 2:16-17).

Now the devil through the serpent accused God of lying by saying if they ate of the tree they would not surely die but become like God's, something God never said at all.

"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. (Gen. 3:4-5).

Eve believed the serpent and not God. Not only did Eve believe the serpent rather than God, she told the first lie.

Eve said this;

"And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, "NEITHER SHALL YE TOUCH IT, LEST YE DIE" (Gen. 3:2-3).

God never said they would die if they touched the tree, God said they would die only if they ate of that particular tree.

Because they disobeyed God He shut off access to the tree of life lest they ate of it as well whilst they were in sin and live forever.

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life" (Gen. 3:22-24).

[LeavesSeeds]

There's a worm in that apple.... 

[FresnoJoe]

Although I Believe

And the evening and the morning were the third day.

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. Genesis 1:13-19

God's Cosmology Is Clearly Not Man's Cosmology

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:8-11

I Know Reasons To Believe Is A God Sent Ministry To Many Of Those Trapped In Scientism

And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us. Luke 9:49-50

Therefore I Thank The LORD For Hugh Ross And His Ministry Team

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. Romans 14:4

And I Pray For Those They Reach

Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Corinthians 5:20-21

Thank You LORD Jesus

Love, Your Brother Joe

[LeavesSeeds]

For those who believe God, isn't God's Cosmology the ONLY Cosmology to even consider ! ?

[FresnoJoe]

9 minutes ago, LeavesSeeds said:

For those who believe God, isn't God's Cosmology the ONLY Cosmology to even consider ! ?

Destroying Hugh Ross's Ministry To The Scientifically (Scientism) Entrapped Is Not My Ministry

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence. 1 Corinthians 1:27-29

We believe that the physical universe, the realm of nature, is the visible creation of God. It declares God's existence and gives a trustworthy revelation of God's character and purpose. In Scripture, God declares that through His creation all humanity recognizes His existence, power, glory, and wisdom. An honest study of nature - its physical, biological, and social aspects - can prove useful in a person's search for truth. Properly understood, God's Word (Scripture) and God's world (nature), as two revelations (one verbal, one physical) from the same God, will never contradict each other. http://www.reasons.org/about/our-mission

So I Stay Away From Throwing Stones And Pray For The Glory Of God

Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me. Isaiah 6:8

We believe in one infinitely perfect, eternal and personal God, the transcendent Creator and sovereign Sustainer of the universe. This one God is Triune, existing eternally and simultaneously as three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All three persons in the Godhead share equally and completely the one divine nature, and are therefore the same God, coequal in power, nature, and glory. http://www.reasons.org/about/our-mission

To Light Up Their Ministry

Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 2 Corinthians 3:6

We believe the Bible (the 66 books of the Old and New Testaments) is the Word of God, written. As a "God-breathed" revelation, it is thus verbally inspired and completely without error (historically, scientifically, morally, and spiritually) in its original writings. While God the Holy Spirit supernaturally superintended the writing of the Bible, that writing nevertheless reflects the words and literary styles of its individual human authors. Scripture reveals the being, nature, and character of God, the nature of God's creation, and especially His will for the salvation of human beings through Jesus Christ. The Bible is therefore our supreme and final authority in all matters that it addresses. http://www.reasons.org/about/our-mission

[LeavesSeeds]

So then, again,  why not just believe God's Word ? 

God's Cosmology is Right, by definition and by faith in Jesus.

[FresnoJoe]

Just now, LeavesSeeds said:

So then, again,  why not just believe God's Word ? 

God's Cosmology is Right, by definition and by faith in Jesus.

God Works In His Own Time

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Psalms 23:3

And Each One Of Us Grows One Step At A Time

For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Romans 1:17

And Without Love, We Fall

If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing. If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it; but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing.

Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.

Prophecy and speaking in unknown languages and special knowledge will become useless. But love will last forever! Now our knowledge is partial and incomplete, and even the gift of prophecy reveals only part of the whole picture! But when the time of perfection comes, these partial things will become useless. 1 Corinthians 13:1-10 (New Living Translation)

See?

And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 2 Timothy 2:24

Love, Your Brother Joe

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On 6/4/2016 at 1:20 AM, LeavesSeeds said:

For those who believe God, isn't God's Cosmology the ONLY Cosmology to even consider ! ?

 

what other cosmology is there? 

but here's the rub: the details of creation are beyond our comprehension. the Bible isn't a cosmology textbook; it doesn't chronicle item-by-item how every atom was made when & where & why & how. what may have been billions of years of the implementation of carefully orchestrated design takes up maybe just a few words, maybe a few paragraphs of scripture. 

so what is God's cosmology ? 

some people are saying ah it was like this! some people are saying no it must have been like this! 

but what do we know? the important thing is what the scripture spends almost all of its dialogue on: the relationship of man to God. all the rest of this -- it's not spelled out in the scripture. we're reading between the lines. the Spirit didn't consider it necessary to intimate all the excruciating detail to us. 

not that it's wrong to think about or to form opinions about -- not at all: but it's not the point of the scripture, and it's not something we can be dogmatic about. 

[blevn1]

Its pretty plain to see that Genesis 1:1 says in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now looking through the microscope we see that the earth was dark and without form. So possibly meaning the waters of the deep that God had created was just floating around untill He begin to form it.

To God be the glory forever.