Should we go to towns of Israel and preach the Gospel to the jews?

[Guest]

On ‎6‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 1:30 PM, Ezra said:

Sure.  I call them Hebrew Christians.

 

On ‎6‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 1:30 PM, Ezra said:

Sure.  I call them Hebrew Christians.

I also call them Christian Jews........Depends on the preference I quess.

[Ezra]

1 hour ago, Joline said:

 

I also call them Christian Jews........Depends on the preference I quess.

"Christian Jews" should be OK, except the word "Jews" has its own connotations, whereas the epistle to the Hebrews is addressed to Hebrew Christians.

[Guest]

Just now, Ezra said:

"Christian Jews" should be OK, except the word "Jews" has its own connotations, whereas the epistle to the Hebrews is addressed to Hebrew Christians.

True Ezra. Phraseology sometimes has certain significances at different times...........Certain terms take on new meanings etc.

[FresnoJoe]

On 6/4/2016 at 2:39 AM, George said:

Yeshua (Jesus) is the owner of the ministry -- I'm merely the steward.

Yes I do live in Israel and yes we're very active in the land!

Yes~!

How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth! Isaiah 52:7

And Amen~!

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! Romans 10:15

[blevn1]

1 minute ago, FresnoJoe said:

Yes~!

How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth! Isaiah 52:7

And Amen~!

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! Romans 10:15

Amen.

[FresnoJoe]

Israel~!

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. Because finding fault with them, He says: "Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-- not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more." In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Hebrews 8:7-13 (New American Standard Bible)

The Beloved~!

“Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD. “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the LORD, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. “They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the LORD, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

      Thus says the LORD,
            Who gives the sun for light by day
            And the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night,
            Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar;
            The LORD of hosts is His name:

      “If this fixed order departs
            From before Me,” declares the LORD,
            “Then the offspring of Israel also will cease
            From being a nation before Me forever.”

      Thus says the LORD,
            “If the heavens above can be measured
            And the foundations of the earth searched out below,
            Then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel
            For all that they have done,” declares the LORD.

      “Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when the city will be rebuilt for the LORD from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate. “The measuring line will go out farther straight ahead to the hill Gareb; then it will turn to Goah. “And the whole valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields as far as the brook Kidron, to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east, shall be holy to the LORD; it will not be plucked up or overthrown anymore forever.” Jeremiah 31:31-40 (New American Standard Bible)

Hosanna LORD, Save Now~!

[Ogner]

On 06.06.2016 at 1:55 AM, Ezra said:

"Christian Jews" should be OK, except the word "Jews" has its own connotations, whereas the epistle to the Hebrews is addressed to Hebrew Christians.

Some scholars today believe the document was written to prevent apostasy. In light of a possibly Jewish-Christian audience, the apostasy in this sense may be in regard to Jewish-Christians leaving the Christian assembly to return to the Jewish synagogue. The author writes, "Let us hold fast to our confession".[4:14]

 

[Ezra]

1 hour ago, Ogner said:

Some scholars today believe the document was written to prevent apostasy. In light of a possibly Jewish-Christian audience, the apostasy in this sense may be in regard to Jewish-Christians leaving the Christian assembly to return to the Jewish synagogue. The author writes, "Let us hold fast to our confession".[4:14]

 

True enough.  My point was that if a letter was addressed to Hebrew Christians as "to the Hebrews", then *Hebrew Christians* is the proper designation for those who have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ.

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Ogner said:

Some scholars today believe the document was written to prevent apostasy. In light of a possibly Jewish-Christian audience, the apostasy in this sense may be in regard to Jewish-Christians leaving the Christian assembly to return to the Jewish synagogue. The author writes, "Let us hold fast to our confession".[4:14]

 

Hello Ogner, I find your posts extraordinary, and with deep insite.

I don't want to say that I disagree, and I could have said that, if I had polirize my self and I had sided with someone else opinion, which I respect and is my guide and my light in my journey here on earth.

But the clarity of a message is proven not by siding with some authority without having first put to the test the stand of that authority.

Your suggestion above it does relate even to what is happening today. Jewish families trying to win back members of their families who have left Judaism and some times are successful and that same need also was prevelant during that time and it is still very much prevelant today.

If you had leaved that time, and not just that time, and had family members accepting Jesus as the Messiah, and you are not a believer your self and you took your religion in the most sacret way, what would you do when a member of your family not only left the traditional faith in your household , and not only he did not go away as the lost sheep of your family, but it remained in the household and percistantly try to persuade other members of the family to discent and follow the new way.

Yes It is one of the most likely reasons why the author wrote this guidance, and that does not mean that this was the only reason, because he is addressing many others.

But I agree with the notion that the Jewish believers who have read and understood this letter can be rooted in the faith and may withstand the persistent  counter attracts of the enemies of the Gospel, and when they are equipt with the proper foundation of the Gospel, those attracts may have a very possitive effect, they may be the reason to increased the faith and the strength of the believer.

God bless

 

[Your closest friendnt]

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42 minutes ago, Ezra said:

True enough.  My point was that if a letter was addressed to Hebrew Christians as "to the Hebrews", then *Hebrew Christians* is the proper designation for those who have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Hello Ezra, I respect your opinion, and I read your posts all the time, and your posts create questions.

This is what I did, I look up the word " Hebrew ", and I learn something, and somehow I began to say, that what the writer of the Hebrew letter meant when he use the word " Hebrew ", instant of using many other word to address the "audience" he meant to appeal to.

Then I began to think that this a general acceptance what the word "Hebrew" means, and I began to  question

Why would the writer of that letter has the same concept in his mind when he used the word " Hebrew", as the authors of our time who use the sane word in their works. 

Then I realize the dictionaries consept of "Hebrew" is reffering to a general concept of meaning. 

Then I began to question if I am looking for the general meaning of "Hebrew", which may also have different branches of view points, not that I am with anyone's agreement, but this is not the answer to the question of,

What was the writer's concept what he use the word " Hebrew".

It may be the same, but how do we know, and how about if it is not.

 How can we find out? 

I don't suggest that I know, but I may make a search of who were the people who considare them selfs as Hebrews about that time, with the right reasons or not.

Importance is not if indeed they had the right to call them selfs " Hebrews", but that they concidated them selfs as been "Hebrews", and they may be motivated to read or listen to something that is about them for what ever reason.

Even for the same reason that someone may read books of other's faiths, whether to understand the people, or to find faults or inconsistencies, or for his own reasons.