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The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him.But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.”

This is Matthew 26:24. It appears me to that it was pre ordained that Jesus would be betrayed by one of his disciples. So the doubt I have is was Judas pre ordained to be the betrayer or the role of betrayer was pre ordained and Judas chose to fill that role?( i.e. if Judas hadn't betrayed someone else of the 12 would have betrayed)


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14 hours ago, SIC said:

The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him.But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.”

This is Matthew 26:24. It appears me to that it was pre ordained that Jesus would be betrayed by one of his disciples. So the doubt I have is was Judas pre ordained to be the betrayer or the role of betrayer was pre ordained and Judas chose to fill that role?( i.e. if Judas hadn't betrayed someone else of the 12 would have betrayed)

Read the prophecy of Zechariah found in Zechariah 11:12-13.

The betrayal of Jesus was foretold (prophesied) as it had been pre-ordained to happen.


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Jesus knew the heart of judas. Judas was the treasurer and his heart was towards money. He wanted to profit from the works of God. When hearing Jesus teach against this he then sought to make gain another way.


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4 hours ago, blevn1 said:

Jesus knew the heart of judas. Judas was the treasurer and his heart was towards money. He wanted to profit from the works of God. When hearing Jesus teach against this he then sought to make gain another way.

So are you saying Jesus knew Judas would betray him even at the time of Judas's selection ? Meaning Judas was pre ordained to be a betrayer?


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Read the prophecy of Zechariah found in Zechariah 11:12-13.

The betrayal of Jesus was foretold (prophesied) as it had been pre-ordained to happen.                            posted by Openly Curious

There is no better suggestion than this......................yes,Judas was "pre-ordained" to be the betrayer,,,,,,no,it was not for the other 11,it was for him,,,,that is what I believe ........                                                With love-in Christ,Kwik


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5 hours ago, Openly Curious said:

Read the prophecy of Zechariah found in Zechariah 11:12-13.

The betrayal of Jesus was foretold (prophesied) as it had been pre-ordained to happen.

That talks about a potter field being bought using Judas's bloodmoney


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5 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

There is no better suggestion than this......................yes,Judas was "pre-ordained" to be the betrayer,,,,,,no,it was not for the other 11,it was for him,,,,that is what I believe ........                                                With love-in Christ,Kwik

If Judas was indeed pre ordained to be a betrayer than well he couldnt have done much about it could he????


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I don't really think he could have,Brother,,,,,,,,,,no                                                    With love-in Chrisft,Kwik


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53 minutes ago, SIC said:

If Judas was indeed pre ordained to be a betrayer than well he couldnt have done much about it could he????

Yes, he could have done something about it.  He could have repented and believed on the Lord Jesus Christ up until the night of the Passover. Instead, he chose to let Satan fill his heart with malice, and allowed his greed to control him.  In contrast, we see Peter betraying Christ, repenting, and being restored to leadership.

But Christ (who is God) already knew from before Judas was born, that this man would betray him for thirty pieces of silver.  Knowing this, and knowing prophecy must be fulfilled precisely, Christ chose him to walk among the twelve, yet clearly identified him as lost, and the Son of Perdition. He also made him treasurer of the disciples for good measure. Judas had every opportunity to walk the straight and narrow way.

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1 hour ago, SIC said:

If Judas was indeed pre ordained to be a betrayer than well he couldnt have done much about it could he????

No he couldn't.  He was going to do what he was created to do.  Had he not done so, then Biblical prophecy would have failed and God would have been shown to be a liar.  I am amazed at the way people refuse to accept that God has created some vessels of honor and some of dishonor. 

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