Ogner Posted June 6, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 2 hours ago, enoob57 said: because she saw Jesus as a just man... "but" or "also"? And Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted June 6, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 42 minutes ago, Openly Curious said: Pilate was addressing the mob who wanted to crucify Jesus who was not guilty of any crimes he was an innocent man. It was at this point when Pilate was addressing the mob asking who they wanted to be released to them either Barrabas who was a known criminal or Jesus who was not guilty of any crimes. That Pilate's wife at that point sent word to him. Pilate's wife was not the one asking for the release of Barrabas but the angry mob. Why did she not say to Pilate immediately, at this point when hief priests and elders of the people delivered Jesus to Pontius? If she wanted no harm for Jesus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted June 6, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,992 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,690 Content Per Day: 11.78 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 6, 2016 Pontius Pilate's wife tried to warn her husband. He chose differently. Matthew 27:19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 6, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,291 Content Per Day: 7.99 Reputation: 21,503 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Online Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 6, 2016 33 minutes ago, Ogner said: "but" or "also"? And Why? I already expressed this in my previous posts... Mt 1:19 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. KJV Mt 27:19 19 When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him. KJV Mk 6:20 20 For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly. KJV Ac 10:22 22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee. KJV This is what Pilot's wife meant about Jesus saying " Have thou nothing to do with that just man:" Now back to the question I asked you do you wish to condemn just men? So the answer is she did not wish to condemn Jesus... Her asking for Barabbas was condemning Jesus to the cross... that is why the 'but' is there the Pharisees did wish to condemn Jesus to the cross... Love, Steven She nor anyone else would want a just man to suffer death on a cross verses the Pharisee who did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted June 6, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.34 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 6, 2016 7 hours ago, Ogner said: How can we prove that Pilate's wife to asked for Jesus? She called Jesus a righteous (just = righteous) man. She must have been fully aware of the ministry of Christ, plus she had a dream that clearly showed her that Pilate was not to condemn Christ to death (or that there would be serious consequences for Pilate and his wife). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted June 6, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, bopeep1909 said: Pontius Pilate's wife tried to warn her husband. He chose differently. Matthew 27:19 John 19:12, "And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: " Pilate chose to release Jesus before that his wife sent unto him. And the Jews understood this.That's why they said, "but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar." Do you think, Pilate's wife after that still doesn't get it? Or do you say that she chose to destroy Jesus but Pilate chose differently? Edited June 6, 2016 by Ogner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted June 6, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 16 minutes ago, Ezra said: She called Jesus a righteous (just = righteous) man. She must have been fully aware of the ministry of Christ, plus she had a dream that clearly showed her that Pilate was not to condemn Christ to death (or that there would be serious consequences for Pilate and his wife). This is speculation and stereotypes. How do you know she called Jesus a righteous? She might mean Barabbas. The Jews chose Barabbas and she might mean Barabbas. The choice between Jesus or Barabbas is not choice between righteous or sinner. it's a question: "Who do you think is a righteous or a sinner, Jesus or Barabbas?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Openly Curious Posted June 6, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,568 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 770 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Ogner said: Why did she not say to Pilate immediately, at this point when hief priests and elders of the people delivered Jesus to Pontius? If she wanted no harm for Jesus... It was revealed to Pilate's wife the night before in a dream that Jesus was a innocent man he was not guilty of any wrong doing that he was being accused of. Pilate's wife according to the scripture suffered in her sleep as that truth was being revealed to her. The next morning when Pilate's wife woke up she sent word to her husband Pilate what had been revealed to her in a dream concerning Jesus being an innocent man. You can read in all four accounts found in the gospels in Matthew 27:1-26; Mark 15:1-15; Luke 22:66-23:1-25 & John 18:28 - 19:1-16 which I encouraged you to read. Pilate conclusion was that Jesus was an innocent man after questioning and talking with Jesus himself. Pilate told the angry crowd that he found no fault with him as Pilate washed his hands so that he wouldn't be guilty of having the blood of an innocent man on his hands. The angry mob said back to Pilate to let Jesus's blood be on their own hands and on the hands of their children. It was actually revealed or made known to Pilate's wife that Jesus was not guilty of any wrong doing first because of her dream. The next morning after coming to his own conclusions having talked with Jesus it was made known to Pilate himself Jesus was not guilty of any wrong doing for he was a just man having no faults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted June 6, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Openly Curious said: It was revealed to Pilate's wife the night before in a dream that Jesus was a innocent man he was not guilty of any wrong doing that he was being accused of. Pilate's wife according to the scripture suffered in her sleep as that truth was being revealed to her. The next morning when Pilate's wife woke up she sent word to her husband Pilate what had been revealed to her in a dream concerning Jesus being an innocent man. You can read in all four accounts found in the gospels in Matthew 27:1-26; Mark 15:1-15; Luke 22:66-23:1-25 & John 18:28 - 19:1-16 which I encouraged you to read. Pilate conclusion was that Jesus was an innocent man after questioning and talking with Jesus himself. Pilate told the angry crowd that he found no fault with him as Pilate washed his hands so that he wouldn't be guilty of having the blood of an innocent man on his hands. The angry mob said back to Pilate to let Jesus's blood be on their own hands and on the hands of their children. It was actually revealed or made known to Pilate's wife that Jesus was not guilty of any wrong doing first because of her dream. The next morning after coming to his own conclusions having talked with Jesus it was made known to Pilate himself Jesus was not guilty of any wrong doing for he was a just man having no faults. Your interpretation is based upon translation from Greek into English. If the Greek word "δὲ" is translated as "also". That means Pilate's wife to asked for Barabbas. You cannot prove what your translation is correct to your interpretation of your translation. Edited June 6, 2016 by Ogner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted June 6, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,220 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,943 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 6, 2016 so you are saying that Pilot's wife asked him to kill an innocent man........ really? I would think you might want to take a course in Greek before trying to change the Bible using strongs references. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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