Sermon that made me uneasy

[SIC]

5 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

Blessings SIC......

      I wouldn't have chosen that wording either & I think it would have been better said as you phrased it.....

But he didn't,,,,,I don't know the man & I can't really comment on whether or not he thinks of himself as "above" because of one statement,,,,,,,you would be a better judge of that by having heard the entire sermon,if that is the impression you got,it may well be ,,,,,,is that the only time you heard him preach or does he speak this way continually?                        

He continually talks about overcoming sin as a one time activity and claims that overcoming sin is over and done in his life. And throughout his series of sermons he keeps saying " I know one brother who does this.", " I know one brother who does that". I would think a preacher should be saying " I used to do this and The Lord out of His Grace corrected me in love"..

[SIC]

1 hour ago, LadyKay said:

I think I would need a little more info. Like some of the characteristics you think you have? I am sure that if all 50 were listed that your not the only one to have a few. None of us are perfect.

Well some of the characteristics that I have are: 

1. Having that unholy joy when I find that a brother/sister has committed a sin. 

2. A lack of humility at times

Those are the only 2 I can think of corresponding to the preacher's list...

[Guest Butero]

7 hours ago, other one said:

Butero,  are you saying that I must believe what the religious leaders were teaching, or I would have to be one of those religious leaders to be a pharisee?   I can read that sentence and come to both conclusions depending on what "position" means.

I am saying you would have to hold the position of Pharisee to be a Pharisee, just like you would have to hold the office of President to be the President.  It was an office.  Another problem is that not all Pharisees believed exactly the same and they didn't all teach the same things.  Some even believed in Jesus and others didn't.  I don't see how that is even debatable. 

[Guest Butero]

1 hour ago, SIC said:

Well some of the characteristics that I have are: 

1. Having that unholy joy when I find that a brother/sister has committed a sin. 

2. A lack of humility at times

Those are the only 2 I can think of corresponding to the preacher's list...

None of us should be happy when someone else falls into sin.  I would think that you must realize that.  Lack of humility is a type of pride, and it is true that many of the Pharisees were prideful.  Those are both things a minister should address, not to condemn, but to correct, but that doesn't make you a Pharisee.  It is amazing to me how people throw that label around like an insult.  What is the difference in me attacking a member of WB for instance by calling them a dullard or calling them a Pharisee?  They are both different insults, but they are both personal attacks.  I have made the name of an office a bad word and used it to attack people. 

I would love to know what the entire list of 50 things are, and the scriptures he used to say the Pharisees had all of those characteristics.  I may be able to point out that Jesus rebuked the Pharisees of his day, the ones attacking him, and pointed out faults he found in them, but that religious sect doesn't even exist today among the Christian Church.  As such, the better way of handling things is to simply point out that pride is wrong, or if we do things to be seen of men, we lose our rewards in heaven.  We should point those things out, but that doesn't make one a Pharisee.  Here is an attribute of the Pharisees, they were very educated.  Does that mean that if you are very educated in the Bible, you are automatically a Pharisee?  Of course not, and neither are you a Pharisee because you struggle with two sins of the flesh. 

[SIC]

41 minutes ago, Butero said:

None of us should be happy when someone else falls into sin.  I would think that you must realize that.  Lack of humility is a type of pride, and it is true that many of the Pharisees were prideful.  Those are both things a minister should address, not to condemn, but to correct, but that doesn't make you a Pharisee.  It is amazing to me how people throw that label around like an insult.  What is the difference in me attacking a member of WB for instance by calling them a dullard or calling them a Pharisee?  They are both different insults, but they are both personal attacks.  I have made the name of an office a bad word and used it to attack people. 

I would love to know what the entire list of 50 things are, and the scriptures he used to say the Pharisees had all of those characteristics.  I may be able to point out that Jesus rebuked the Pharisees of his day, the ones attacking him, and pointed out faults he found in them, but that religious sect doesn't even exist today among the Christian Church.  As such, the better way of handling things is to simply point out that pride is wrong, or if we do things to be seen of men, we lose our rewards in heaven.  We should point those things out, but that doesn't make one a Pharisee.  Here is an attribute of the Pharisees, they were very educated.  Does that mean that if you are very educated in the Bible, you are automatically a Pharisee?  Of course not, and neither are you a Pharisee because you struggle with two sins of the flesh. 

That's my very point isnt it. The preacher should have stuck to saying " Pride is sin" and so on rather than saying " If you have even one of these you are a Pharisee"

[Guest Butero]

Just now, SIC said:

That's my very point isnt it. The preacher should have stuck to saying " Pride is sin" and so on rather than saying " If you have even one of these you are a Pharisee"

I agree with you. 

[SIC]

2 minutes ago, Butero said:

I agree with you. 

Glad you agree  

[kwikphilly]

Blessings SIC...

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He continually talks about overcoming sin as a one time activity and claims that overcoming sin is over and done in his life. And throughout his series of sermons he keeps saying " I know one brother who does this.", " I know one brother who does that". I would think a preacher should be saying " I used to do this and The Lord out of His Grace corrected me in love"..

Oh,I see,it is a constant thing     Yeah,I think you are right & I agree with everything you are saying,I would be of the same opinion as you if he were preaching at my church,,,,,,,,he sounds prideful himself,doesn't he? A bit of arrogance & a condescending manner in how he addresses the congregants....

  So what do you think you will do? Will you continue to go there,does he preach every Sunday or do they have other preachers as well?Or is it not such an issue for you,,,,,,,,what are your thoughts?                                                     With love-in Christ,Kwik

                                                                                                              

[Ezra]

19 hours ago, SIC said:

I'd appreciate it if people here could add something...

Pharisees were a very strict Jewish sect that emphasized ritual over spiritual reality, and a "servile adherence to the letter of the Law" . They believed that they could be saved by the works of the Law. But they were tithing mint and cumin and neglecting justice and mercy, as well as love of God and neighbor.  They were condemned by Christ for their hypocrisy, their love of money, position, and power. In other words for their worldliness.

If you are a believer in Christ, you cannot be deemed a Pharisee (and there were many Pharisees, including Paul the apostle, who were converted). However people can be hypocritical, and not practice what they preach.  That simply makes you an inconsistent Christian.  And if you are worldly that makes you a carnal Christian.

 

[SIC]

4 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

Blessings SIC...

Oh,I see,it is a constant thing     Yeah,I think you are right & I agree with everything you are saying,I would be of the same opinion as you if he were preaching at my church,,,,,,,,he sounds prideful himself,doesn't he? A bit of arrogance & a condescending manner in how he addresses the congregants....

  So what do you think you will do? Will you continue to go there,does he preach every Sunday or do they have other preachers as well?Or is it not such an issue for you,,,,,,,,what are your thoughts?                                                     With love-in Christ,Kwik

                                                                                                              

I merely listen to his sermons online. I do not attend his church. If I were attending his congregation it would have been an issue. I have stopped listening to his online sermons.

Thanks a lot for your explanation and concern Kwikphilly