woundeddog Posted June 20, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Share Posted June 20, 2016 On 6/18/2016 at 11:11 AM, SIC said: Agree with you a 100%. If OSAS is true then why go to church? a relationship with the Lord is much more than just staying out of hell--- because he saves us unconditionally we love him and want to be more like him and to live in a manner (as much as humanly possible in our sinful flesh) to please him--- its hard for an unsaved person to understand that osas is not a free ticket to sin , but a free ticket to NOT sin-- we love him because he first loved us--- nothing we can do can make him love us-- he loves us because thats who he is, and saved persons response is to live for him out of love, not out of fear of hell or his wrath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIC Posted June 21, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,436 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 2,625 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1989 Share Posted June 21, 2016 7 hours ago, woundeddog said: a relationship with the Lord is much more than just staying out of hell--- because he saves us unconditionally we love him and want to be more like him and to live in a manner (as much as humanly possible in our sinful flesh) to please him--- its hard for an unsaved person to understand that osas is not a free ticket to sin , but a free ticket to NOT sin-- we love him because he first loved us--- nothing we can do can make him love us-- he loves us because thats who he is, and saved persons response is to live for him out of love, not out of fear of hell or his wrath If a person believes in OSAS one would assume that he/she is treating the relationship with Christ as a one way ticket to heaven. That is what I meant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted June 21, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Share Posted June 21, 2016 1 minute ago, SIC said: If a person believes in OSAS one would assume that he/she is treating the relationship with Christ as a one way ticket to heaven. That is what I meant correct! it is a one way ticket to heaven-- that's what salvation is all about! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIC Posted June 21, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,436 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 2,625 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1989 Share Posted June 21, 2016 10 minutes ago, woundeddog said: correct! it is a one way ticket to heaven-- that's what salvation is all about! :-) Salvation is not an one way ticket . One needs to walk in the light till the very end. Only then one reaches heaven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted June 21, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 21, 2016 1 hour ago, SIC said: Salvation is not an one way ticket . One needs to walk in the light till the very end. Only then one reaches heaven Salvation is not contingent upon our walk but upon what Christ has ALREADY accomplished in His life, death, burial, and resurrection. That's why the Bible says again and again "Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoJoe Posted June 21, 2016 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 207 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,651 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 5,761 Days Won: 4 Joined: 01/31/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/04/1943 Share Posted June 21, 2016 1 hour ago, SIC said: If a person believes in OSAS.... one would assume that he/she is treating the relationship with Christ as.... My LORD As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. Psalms 42:1 And Beloved It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 2 Timothy 2:11-14 As For That Walker Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. Hebrews 3:12 Love, Your Brother Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIC Posted June 21, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,436 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 2,625 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1989 Share Posted June 21, 2016 14 minutes ago, Ezra said: Salvation is not contingent upon our walk but upon what Christ has ALREADY accomplished in His life, death, burial, and resurrection. That's why the Bible says again and again "Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved". So are you saying I need not walk in the light to attain eternal salvation? In other words can a person who is once saved live a life of hedonism till the very end without repenting and still hope to attain eternal life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
post Posted June 21, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,045 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 615 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/09/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/03/1976 Share Posted June 21, 2016 4 hours ago, SIC said: Salvation is not an one way ticket . One needs to walk in the light till the very end. Only then one reaches heaven you have heard many times i am sure, "you must endure to the end" and yes, the one that endures will be saved. but have a look here: Remember those earlier days after you had received the light, when you endured in a great conflict full of suffering. Sometimes you were publicly exposed to insult and persecution; at other times you stood side by side with those who were so treated. You suffered along with those in prison and joyfully accepted the confiscation of your property, because you knew that you yourselves had better and lasting possessions. So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.(Hebrews 10:32-36) it is in your confidence that you should persevere. the will of God is to believe on the Son, and put your trust in Him. consider Who it is that keeps you and has promised to you to redeem and transform you -- the light you first received was that by trusting in Jesus Christ, you were saved. that He would be faithful to keep you, and when you were astray like a sheep, to seek you out and rescue you. the light you first received was not "follow these laws and if you follow them well enough you may earn yourself a pass through the gate" -- your salvation is joy, not anxiety. confidence, not worry. Jesus is the gate, and the Shepherd -- and the sheep hear His voice, and follow -- it is not the shepherd that follows the sheep, and it is not the sheep who try to keep themselves while the shepherd takes a nap and then wakes up later to see which sheep survived the wolves. no He is "the Shepherd, the Good One" in this confident belief in peace with God through the all-sufficient sacrifice of Christ, this confident trust in His faithfulness toward you, endure. persevere. remain in this sure hope until the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 2 hours ago, SIC said: So are you saying I need not walk in the light to attain eternal salvation? We walk in the light BECAUSE we have received eternal salvation (Eph. 2:8-10). I serve God not to stay saved, but rather as a result having been transformed through the salvation He has given me. Our good works are the means by which we demonstrate that we are saved, not the means by which we are saved. Quote In other words can a person who is once saved live a life of hedonism till the very end without repenting and still hope to attain eternal life? If you are living a life of hedonism you are not saved in the first place. Those who are truly saved, are transformed and have a heart that longs to serve God. We all stumble on occasions in a sincere attempt to serve God, but you cannot sin and enjoy it, if you are truly born again. If you still trying to attain salvation, you're not saved. Salvation isn't something I am trying to get; it is a free gift given to me the minute I got saved. Eternal life starts in the here and now, not after I die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
post Posted June 21, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,045 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 615 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/09/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/03/1976 Share Posted June 21, 2016 2 hours ago, SIC said: So are you saying I need not walk in the light to attain eternal salvation? In other words can a person who is once saved live a life of hedonism till the very end without repenting and still hope to attain eternal life? part of salvation is a new heart that cannot abide in sin. what hedonism you used to enjoy, is now a corpse to you, because the life that is within you is opposite to it. maybe you can bring that freshly dead thing into your house for a little while, and sit at your table with it. but you can't just leave it there - soon it putrefies and rots, and stinks. the one who has been redeemed will despise the smell, and get up and try to clean it out of the house and bury it. no, repentance is part of believing on Him. you cannot turn to Him without turning away from sin. that is what "repent" means - 'to turn away from.' it is completely necessary. but "repentance" happens in your heart - and then Christ & His apostles gave every encouragement to do works in keeping with repentance. to live as you actually are; a new creature. maybe you repent of hating someone, but you still find yourself doing it - that doesn't mean you haven't repented. to see if you have repented, look in your heart: do you regret your sin and despise it? or do you love your sin. do you turn away in your heart and mind from the wicked things you used to completely give yourself to? maybe you can remain trapped in sin your whole life -- but if you do not hate it, have you been changed? salvation is being changed. being changed by God through His spirit. it isn't changing yourself any more than you 'save yourself.' there are many false prophets and teachers, we know, and aren't there many false 'believers' too? so there is confusion sown in the world. don't be fooled by it, but trust God. trust the light that you received when you first believed; your first love: endure in that confident faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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