Liberal and Christianity

[Running Gator]

2 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Isn't liberal and Christianity an oxymoron?

Only to the closed minded. 

[MorningGlory]

6 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

I agree with you on abortion, the rest have nothing to do with Jesus or a person's relationship with him.   It is a shame that people that don't think like you want them to are a problem to you.  

Is that another personal assessment of my thinking and opinions?

[Running Gator]

Just now, MorningGlory said:

Is that another personal assessment of my thinking?

No, just a general observation. 

[missmuffet]

8 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

Only to the closed minded. 

What is your definition of "closed minded" as far as the born again Christian is concerned and God's Holy Word?

[MorningGlory]

1 minute ago, Out of the Shadows said:

No, just a general observation. 

Well, good.  But your observation is made from posts on a message forum; you simply can't presume to know what is a problem to me.  I don't expect everyone to think like me, act like me, look like me or speak like me.  I have diverse friends; yes even some (gasp!) who are Democrats and one who is a nonbeliever.  But a Christian can't support homosexuality or participate in that lifestyle and still be a Christian.  That's not my opinion, it's God's.  The rest of that list is my PERSONAL assessment of what liberal means.  But I don't turn my back on those who are different from me; I just try to make them see the light.

[Running Gator]

8 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

Well, good.  But your observation is made from posts on a message forum; you simply can't presume to know what is a problem to me.  I don't expect everyone to think like me, act like me, look like me or speak like me.  I have diverse friends; yes even some (gasp!) who are Democrats and one who is a nonbeliever.  But a Christian can't support homosexuality or participate in that lifestyle and still be a Christian.  That's not my opinion, it's God's.  The rest of that list is my PERSONAL assessment of what liberal means.  But I don't turn my back on those who are different from me; I just try to make them see the light.

I just responded to the words that you wrote, I can only assume you are being honest with them.  You are the one that used the word "problem" for people who believe a list of things you don't agree with. 

[Running Gator]

11 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

What is your definition of "closed minded" as far as the born again Christian is concerned and God's Holy Word?

One who believes that those who think differently than they do cannot possibly be saved.   As the the old saying goes "that is out of your pay grade"

Edited July 14, 2016 by Out of the Shadows

[missmuffet]

5 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

One who believes that those who think differently than they do cannot possibly be saved.   As the the old saying goes "that is out of your pay grade"

So if someone else comes to me and tells me that Jesus Christ was just a good teacher I am supposed to believe that? That they are just a liberal person and they look differently at Scripture and that is ok? Or that it is ok to be a born again Christian and still live an active homosexual lifestyle? Where is God and God's Holy word in all of this? I do not mean just to give God's Word your own meaning for your own convenience so you can live the live you want to live but to really take God's Word literally how God had intended it to be taken.

[Running Gator]

3 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

So if someone else comes to me and tells me that Jesus Christ was just a good teacher I am supposed to believe that? That they are just a liberal person and they look differently at Scripture and that is ok? Or that it is ok to be a born again Christian and still live an active homosexual lifestyle? Where is God and God's Holy word in all of this? I do not mean just to give God's Word your own meaning for your own convenience so you can live the live you want to live but to really take God's Word literally how God had intended it to be taken.

I am not telling you that you have to believe anything,  I am telling you that it is not your job to decide who and who cannot be a born again Christian.   Show me in God's word where we as humans have the power to dictate who is and is not a Christian.    Is it ok to be a born again Christian and buy a 17.5 million dollar house while over 15,000 people are homeless in the same city?  Is it ok to be a born again Christian and be living with your third wife? 

[The_Patriot21]

48 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

The problem arises when liberal Christians support abortion, gay marriage, removing God from the public discourse and unchecked immigration while working to disarm the population.  If they don't support any of those things then there's no problem.

I have a problem with the supporting abortion, and removing God from things-i agree with you, these are not signs of a Christian. However, I can see a christian being misguided enough to think disarmament is a Godly thing, and won't question their salvation on that point, regardless of how misguided that is. Same with unchecked immigration. Neither of these are salvation issues, and neither really show they are not christian. In fact in the case of immigration one could make the argument (howbeit misguided) that illegal immigration is just Gods way of bringing the mission field to us, and it's a way to "help" those in need.