Running Gator Posted August 5, 2016 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2016 1 minute ago, wincam said: so why do you believe that because it is not stated and believe the other that is also not stated - wincam The Bible tells us Jesus had siblings, where did they come from if not from Mary. Would you please answer this question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wincam Posted August 5, 2016 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 114 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 61 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/09/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 5, 2016 32 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: No, technically does not mean "secular viewpoint." I am speaking from the fact that biologically, they are Jesus' half siblings since they have the same mother but not the same father as Jesus has no earthly father. Seems like you are making something out of nothing. it matters not a hoot about all your profundities - it is still not in the bible - wincam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted August 5, 2016 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, wincam said: it matters not a hoot about all your profundities - it is still not in the bible - wincam The Bible tells us Jesus had siblings, where did they come from if not from Mary. Would you please answer this question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 5, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2016 A person is really wasting their breath to tell a Catholic that Mary is not the Queen of Heaven and that she is not still a virgin and that we should not pray to her. There are many of their rituals that they will fight with you to the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wincam Posted August 5, 2016 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 114 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 61 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/09/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, missmuffet said: A person is really wasting their breath to tell a Catholic that Mary is not the Queen of Heaven and that she is not still a virgin and that we should not pray to her. There are many of their rituals that they will fight with you to the end. yes indeed a Catholic will gently and humbly beat his breast and in fear and trembling try to work out his salvation by approaching Mary to plead for mercy for him - btw only sinners do this or should or need to do this - wincam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted August 5, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, wincam said: yes indeed a Catholic will gently and humbly beat his breast and in fear and trembling try to work out his salvation by approaching Mary to plead for mercy for him - btw only sinners do this or should or need to do this - wincam Sinners need to approach mary? THAT is blasphemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted August 5, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2016 6 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said: If the bothers were not her children, where did they come from? Being brothers indicates at least one parent in common. 1. First of all Jesus is called the "firstborn son" of Mary (Lk 2:7), which implies that there were other children. And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. 2. Secondly, Joseph had conjugal relations with Mary after Jesus was born (Mt 1:25) which is why Christ had genuine brothers and sisters (technically half-brothers and half sisters but they are called brothers and sisters in Scripture). [The word "know" ("knew") is used in Scripture to describe intimate relations between husband and wife.] And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. The false doctrine of Mary taught by both Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches is sufficient to establish that these churches put *Holy Tradition* above Scripture. Statues and icons of Mary have no place in Christian worship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wincam Posted August 5, 2016 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 114 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 61 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/09/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 5, 2016 5 minutes ago, Yowm said: Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. (Mar 6:3) elsewhere it says the son of the carpenter = it does not say and her other sons and daughters - so since there is doubt who or what should be the last court of appeal - wincam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 1 hour ago, wincam said: it matters not a hoot about all your profundities - it is still not in the bible - wincam The fact that they are his brothers and sisters means that Mary is their mother. Jesus could only have siblings if they came from -the same mother. If Joseph had children by another woman before he married Mary, then they would not be Jesus' brothers and sisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted August 5, 2016 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, wincam said: elsewhere it says the son of the carpenter = it does not say and her other sons and daughters - so since there is doubt who or what should be the last court of appeal - wincam Again, where did they come from if not from Mary. Please offer the biblical evidence of a different parent. The Bible tells us Jesus had siblings, where did they come from if not from Mary. Would you please answer this question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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