Abortion ?

[Guest shiloh357]

1 hour ago, wincam said:

you had better have a word with the born again Christians - wincam

I am one of them. 

[Guest shiloh357]

16 minutes ago, Butero said:

Children of saved parents are under their parent's covering, but that is not the case with children of unbelievers.  A visiting minister at a church I was attending showed us this, so I can't take credit for finding this truth on my own, but it is clear when you look at what it says in 1 Corinthians 7:14

For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband:  else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 

Nothing unclean can enter heaven. 

The sanctification mentioned in that verse and the cleanness or uncleanness is speaking from a ceremonial aspect.   It is not talking about inward sanctification.  There is no way that an unbeliever is inwardly sanctified by his or her spouse.   Paul is addressing practical issues of the Corinthian church. They had a lot of questions about how they were supposed to relate as believers to their old life.  Marriage was a big issue because it is likely they were married with children before conversion and were asking Paul about those issues.

Children are not inwardly sanctified by their parents.  The children mentioned are not necessarily infants, in this verse.   This is talking about children being  ceremonially unclean and thus, not being admitted into church membership. That's what the context seems to indicate. 

[Guest shiloh357]

10 minutes ago, Butero said:

I am not concerned with arguing over this except to say that there is no scripture in the Bible to my knowledge that teaches an age of accountability as some teach, and this is the only verse I have come across anywhere that seems to explain how children can be saved. 

It is not based on an explicit Scripture, but it is based on a scriptural understanding of God's profile in the Bible, namely that God is just.  Sending an  infant baby to hell because his parents were unsaved is not in keeping with God's sense of justice.  It is keeping with His revealed character to hold that child in innocence until he is old enough to understand the Gospel and consciously accept or reject it.

The verse you provided (I Cor. 7:14) does not teach that children of unsaved parents is automatically assigned to hell. You have penciled that meaning into the text without warrant to do so.   The Bible uses the term "unclean"  to refer to ceremonial impurity.   Being unsaved and being unclean are not the same thing. 

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, Butero said:

Actually, I can't take credit for penciling that in.  It was a visiting minister at my church at the time that gave that explanation.  I just said it makes sense, not only because it gives an answer to the question, but because I have often times wondered about children of the Canaanites or Pharaoh's son that died of the plague.  Did the children of the Canaanites that the children of Israel slew go to heaven while their parents went to hell?  The idea that children automatically made it to heaven because of an age of accountability just doesn't make logical sense to me, but only God knows for sure, so I am not going to say I am certain one way or the other. 

I am not arguing for an age of accountability.   I don't think there is any set age when we become accountable.  We become accountable at whatever point we are able to understand and consciously accept or reject the Gospel.  The visiting minister is wrong.   This verse says NOTHING about children going to Hell.  He completely misses the point that Paul is making if he using that verse to prove that infants go to Hell.

Hell was created for Satan and his angels.   It was not created for man.  But we go to Hell when we consciously reject the Gospel and/or the light that God has given us to lead us to Himself.  Nothing in the Bible indicates that we can be saved or unsaved on the grounds of our parents salvation or lack thereof.

[forGod1]

5 hours ago, Butero said:

I am not concerned with arguing over this except to say that there is no scripture in the Bible to my knowledge that teaches an age of accountability as some teach, and this is the only verse I have come across anywhere that seems to explain how children can be saved.  I feel like people automatically assume that when people abort their children, they are sending them to a better place, but I am not so sure.  Even if you want to challenge the meaning of this verse, there is nothing that says children up to a certain age are automatically saved, so we are left with competing interpretations of this verse.  I remember that the minister that taught us about this verse was a man who spent most of his time teaching Biblical prophecy, and the opinion I gave of this verse was his.  I thought it made sense then and still do, but I will just leave it up to everyone to make up their own mind.  I would also be curious if anyone may have come across scripture that says in no uncertain terms that all children are saved and there is an age of accountability.  I am happy to keep an open mind about it. 

How could Jesus send a baby to hell for their parents decision? You really believe aborted children might go to hell? You have serious issues.

[wincam]

14 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

I am one of them. 

in which case you had better give yourself a good talking to - wincam

[creativemechanic]

Honestly win cam.What do you believe? Because whenever u post, its always an inflammatory statement which attacks biblical beliefs with no actual biblical  backing. Do you believe in  God or are u just a covert atheist trying to ridicule christian beliefs

[Guest shiloh357]

2 hours ago, wincam said:

in which case you had better give yourself a good talking to - wincam

No, you need to repent of your sin and become born again and obey the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

[woundeddog]

okay-- I have to throw this log on the fire----- since we know that innocent babies are covered by the blood--- and we know that God knows in advance  everyone that is to be redeemed, it means that these babies where meant to be redeemed sooooooo~~~~~~~ if they had not been aborted or died as children, if they where to grow up, they would have been believers. Meaning that all those millions of aborted babies growing up would have been millions of born again adults---- imagine how that would shape society today

And part two of this speculation is you hear that God is not fair because third world people may have not heard the gospel hence they didn't have a chance to be saved----- why is infant mortality so high in third world countries?--- be cause if they had the Gospel those Babies would have been adults that accepted the Lord~~~

[Ezra]

22 hours ago, wincam said:

are aborted babies born again

No.

22 hours ago, wincam said:

surely they more than any need to be born again

Yes. When they grow up to be young people who can understand the Gospel and their need to be born again.

22 hours ago, wincam said:

btw why do they as the victims have to pay for the crime

Because there is much evil in the world.