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4 hours ago, Behold said:

Baloney. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The OT not only recognized "JESUS"< but it thoroughly prophesied Him, including where He would be born and How He would die, and includes also His linage.

So, you are not only mistaken, you are way way way off the track.

What I mean is that it did not help in identifying Jesus as the Messiah by Jews. The concept is hidden but fully revealed in the NT

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On 8/24/2016 at 7:40 AM, Knowingtruth said:

Muslims have a better standing than Jews....
because Mohammed recognizes Jesus as the apostle of God....

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Beloved It's Not About The Apostles Of Allah

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light

There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:1-14 (New American Standard Bible)

But About The Lord God

And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world has been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: Ephesians 3:9 (American King James Version)

Almighty

You are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for you have created all things, and for your pleasure they are and were created. Revelation 4:11 (King James 2000)

~

And Dear One, Do Know That Our Holy Scripture

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 ( English Standard Version

Was Written Through The

What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? Much in every way! First of all, the Jews have been entrusted with the very words of God. Romans 3:2 (New International Version)

Beloved Jews

Is Ephraim my dear son? Is he a darling child? For as often as I speak against him, I do earnestly remember him still: therefore my heart yearns for him; I will surely have mercy on him," says the LORD. Jeremiah 31:20 (New Heart English Bible)

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4 hours ago, Davida said:

Paul is an Apostle chosen and anointed by Jesus Christ. Reject  Apostle Paul and you reject the ONE who sent him the Lord Jesus Christ.

The Old Testament Prophecied of JESUS .

44 Prophecies Jesus Christ Fulfilled

 

Prophecies About Jesus

Old Testament
Scripture

New Testament
Fulfillment

1

Messiah would be born of a woman.

Genesis 3:15

Matthew 1:20
Galatians 4:4

2

Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.

Micah 5:2

Matthew 2:1
Luke 2:4-6

3

Messiah would be born of a virgin.

Isaiah 7:14

Matthew 1:22-23
Luke 1:26-31

4

Messiah would come from the line of Abraham.

Genesis 12:3
Genesis 22:18

Matthew 1:1
Romans 9:5

5

Messiah would be a descendant of Isaac.

Genesis 17:19
Genesis 21:12

Luke 3:34

6

Messiah would be a descendant of Jacob.

Numbers 24:17

Matthew 1:2

7

Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah.

Genesis 49:10

Luke 3:33
Hebrews 7:14

8

Messiah would be heir to King David's throne.

2 Samuel 7:12-13
Isaiah 9:7

Luke 1:32-33
Romans 1:3

9

Messiah's throne will be anointed and eternal.

Psalm 45:6-7
Daniel 2:44

Luke 1:33
Hebrews 1:8-12

10

Messiah would be called Immanuel.

Isaiah 7:14

Matthew 1:23

11

Messiah would spend a season in Egypt.

Hosea 11:1

Matthew 2:14-15

12

A massacre of children would happen at Messiah's birthplace.

Jeremiah 31:15

Matthew 2:16-18

13

A messenger would prepare the way for Messiah

Isaiah 40:3-5

Luke 3:3-6

14

Messiah would be rejected by his own people.

Psalm 69:8
Isaiah 53:3

John 1:11
John 7:5

15

Messiah would be a prophet.

Deuteronomy 18:15

Acts 3:20-22

16

Messiah would be preceded by Elijah.

Malachi 4:5-6

Matthew 11:13-14

17

Messiah would be declared the Son of God.

Psalm 2:7

Matthew 3:16-17

18

Messiah would be called a Nazarene.

Isaiah 11:1

Matthew 2:23

19

Messiah would bring light to Galilee.

Isaiah 9:1-2

Matthew 4:13-16

20

Messiah would speak in parables.

Psalm 78:2-4
Isaiah 6:9-10

Matthew 13:10-15, 34-35

21

Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted.

Isaiah 61:1-2

Luke 4:18-19

22

Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek.

Psalm 110:4

Hebrews 5:5-6

23

Messiah would be called King.

Psalm 2:6
Zechariah 9:9

Matthew 27:37
Mark 11:7-11

24

Messiah would be praised by little children.

Psalm 8:2

Matthew 21:16

25

Messiah would be betrayed.

Psalm 41:9
Zechariah 11:12-13

Luke 22:47-48
Matthew 26:14-16

26

Messiah's price money would be used to buy a potter's field.

Zechariah 11:12-13

Matthew 27:9-10

27

Messiah would be falsely accused.

Psalm 35:11

Mark 14:57-58

28

Messiah would be silent before his accusers.

Isaiah 53:7

Mark 15:4-5

29

Messiah would be spat upon and struck.

Isaiah 50:6

Matthew 26:67

30

Messiah would be hated without cause.

Psalm 35:19
Psalm 69:4

John 15:24-25

31

Messiah would be crucified with criminals.

Isaiah 53:12

Matthew 27:38
Mark 15:27-28

32

Messiah would be given vinegar to drink.

Psalm 69:21

Matthew 27:34
John 19:28-30

33

Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced.

Psalm 22:16
Zechariah 12:10

John 20:25-27

34

Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed.

Psalm 22:7-8

Luke 23:35

35

Soldiers would gamble for Messiah's garments.

Psalm 22:18

Luke 23:34
Matthew 27:35-36

36

Messiah's bones would not be broken.

Exodus 12:46
Psalm 34:20

John 19:33-36

37

Messiah would be forsaken by God.

Psalm 22:1

Matthew 27:46

38

Messiah would pray for his enemies.

Psalm 109:4

Luke 23:34

39

Soldiers would pierce Messiah's side.

Zechariah 12:10

John 19:34

40

Messiah would be buried with the rich.

Isaiah 53:9

Matthew 27:57-60

41

Messiah would resurrect from the dead.

Psalm 16:10
Psalm 49:15

Matthew 28:2-7
Acts 2:22-32

42

Messiah would ascend to heaven.

Psalm 24:7-10

Mark 16:19
Luke 24:51

43

Messiah would be seated at God's right hand.

Psalm 68:18
Psalm 110:1

Mark 16:19
Matthew 22:44

44

Messiah would be a sacrifice for sin.

Isaiah 53:5-12

Romans 5:6-8

 

 The whole word of GOD is important, integrated and explains & validates itself so one cannot begin to understand the message of the Gospel & the New Testament without knowing the Old Testament.

 

Yes, Paul was a chosen instrument but not as an apostle. That was his own claim like many others.

Thanks for quoting the several verses from the OT recognizing the Messiah. Unfortunately, they did not help in recognizing Jesus as the Messiah. Even now some Messianic Jews may have the same problem

 

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3 hours ago, Davida said:

It is completely a wrong understanding of what is written in the Qur'an and what the meaning of it is and it is completely misleading. The idea that Jesus called a prophet in the Quran is to utter deception because it states that Isa (JESUS)  is an Islamic prophet of allah .  To continue in that false idea that it is something positive or that it is something in common with Christianity  is completely to be misinformed and promoting a lie.  

Is it not better than total rejection? That way Muslims are better compared to Jews. Christianity has undergone changes and deviations too.

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9 hours ago, Davida said:

Credit? it is like mixing Hinduism with Christianity or Buddhism and Christianity. According to what is written in the Bible, what the Qur'an says about Jesus is False and blasphemy.  Islam regards itself as the primordial religion that came before Judeao-Christianity and calls itself the ONLY TRUE RELIGION.  Islam the name itself means "submission" . What you said is at best a misconception and at worst it is the perpetuating of a false understanding of the true Jesus  the false teaching about JESUS that is what is written in the Qu'ran.

The Qur'an preaches Another JESUS and it is the ANTI-CHRIST i.e. against the True Lord & Saviour Jesus Christ,  it is in fact an Islamic JESUS that bears NO resemblance to the Biblical Jesus.  That fake Jesus or Anti-CHrist Jesus who the Quran says his real name is "Isa" and according to the Word of GOD this is a False Gospel and a False Christ. Jesus himself warned in Matthew about being deceived by false Christs.

 Mat 24:4-5 KJV 4 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.  5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."

Mat 24:10-11 KJV 10 "And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.  11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."

Apostle Paul also gave stern warning about spreading a false Gospel:

Galatians 1:8 "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."

The Qur'an denies the Gospel of Jesus CHrist, it denies the Deity of Christ Jesus, denies that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of GOD, that He died on the Cross for our sins , that HE was raised from the dead, and to say it has partial belief in Jesus is incorrect, it is presenting a False Jesus and a False Gospel. Apostle Paul was stated in Galatians 1:8 "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed."

The Qur'an was written in the 7th century and cannot be regarded as having carrying any genuine Biblical theology or authority nor did it receive any actual true revelations concerning the Bible. Upon close inspection it says the VERY OPPOSITE of the BIBLE. The Middle eastern writers of the various Islamic texts for obvious reasons of local came across the Judeao-Christian people and their teachings and the quran only echos a garbled misunderstanding and misuse of Biblical stories, & says these Biblical characters which includes Jesus & his mother Mary were in fact "muslim". As Jesus warned in the Bible in the book of Matthew, The Qur'an presents another Jesus -- a false Jesus , a muslim Jesus who it says his real name is "Isa". Jesus warned in Matthew about being deceived by false Christs. Jesus according to the Islamic texts came from dirt not from heaven.

"Allah" cannot be confused with heavenly Father GOD of the Lord Jesus CHrist, i.e. the God of Abraham, Issac and Joseph. Allah is a pagan god.The god of Islam is poles apart from the Holy Trinity who is GOD of the BIBLE whose name HE revealed to Moses in Exodus. The word allah pre-dates Islam, it is a word for a pagan deity , the Moon-god" of the pre Muhammad Arabs. There are dozens of opposite descriptions of allah for eg. the Qur'an says he is the greatest deceiver - the Bible calls Satan the deceiver. Allah causes men to sin, the Bible says God is not the author of sin.

"Isa" of the Qur'an - who is not the TRUE JESUS of the Holy BIble, was/is stated to be a prophet of Islam. 

According to the Qur'an: Jesus’ true name, according to the Qur’an, was ‘Isa. His message was pure Islam, and did surrender to Allah. (Âl 'Imran 3:84) Like all the Muslim prophets before him, and like Muhammad after him, ‘Isa was a lawgiver, and Christians should submit to his law. (Âl 'Imran 3:50; Al-Ma’idah 5:48) ‘Isa’s original disciples were also true Muslims, for they said ‘We believe. Bear witness that we have surrendered. We are Muslims.’ (Al-Ma’idah 5:111)  Not Christians.

 

It is better than total rejection. Who do you support: a group that totally rejects Jesus or a group that recognizes virgin birth and spiritual relationship with God.

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On 26/08/2016 at 0:49 PM, Knowingtruth said:

So according to your thinking, Jesus should have appeared, walked to cross and died. Simple isn't it?  No salvation for those who do not keep His commandments and grow the fruit of the Spirit. Jesus is the way, life and truth. Not simple magic formula of belief with one verse! If so, He will deny you.

I'm talking about a comparison between Christianity and Islam. Without salvation there is no point. Don't try to make this about me. And yes, you do have to try and keep his commandments. I never said you didn't. Stop lying about what I said in order to try and change the subject!

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On ‎25‎/‎08‎/‎2016 at 3:34 AM, Knowingtruth said:

Have you read Koran? It is against claiming Jesus as the Son, but not against His preaching in totality. Mohammed did not accept the Son as God which many Christians do. You cannot completely rule out 'Allah' as the Supreme God since he quotes many OT verses.

Of course, Jews believe our God, but reject Jesus in totality. Mohammed recognized Him as an apostle or as a prophet that is better than total rejection. Mohammed was more against Jews than Christians. In fact, he visited the St. Catherine monastery in Sinai offering protection to monks there.

I agree with you that Islam is is kinder about Jesus, and more reverent than those who  follow Judaism .

Does not John Chapter One mention them, and how they rejected Him ,His own ? For two thousand years they not only have done that ,but some of them have blasphemed Him in the most scurrilous way ,and yet there are those who would still defend them - blind they are, and predudiced as they refuse the truth ,that is the defenders who claim to be Christians .

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1 hour ago, Davida said:

Can't miss the irony in the name.

 

He has more truth than you who is blinded  by lack of knowledge ,and predudice .

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15 hours ago, Knowingtruth said:

It is better than total rejection. Who do you support: a group that totally rejects Jesus or a group that recognizes virgin birth and spiritual relationship with God.

There is a terrible lack of historical knowledge here ,and people take up positions which then trap them, as to admit that they are following the wrong people is to make them doubt God ,when in fact God is always true ,  it is they who  who are mistaken .

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On ‎25‎/‎08‎/‎2016 at 10:09 PM, Davida said:

Why yes several copies. Why are you so wrong on your facts and misinformed then?

 Indeed  ?

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