Gun control is one thing, but what about bullets?

[Running Gator]

Just now, ayin jade said:

I thought you were for less govt, not more.

Non sequitur much?

[ayin jade]

2 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

Non sequitur much?

That isnt non sequitur. It applied to your comment. You are advocating more laws when you are against bigger govt intrusion. It seemed contradictory. 

[Running Gator]

1 minute ago, ayin jade said:

That isnt non sequitur. It applied to your comment. You are advocating more laws when you are against bigger govt intrusion. It seemed contradictory. 

It should not be "more laws", it should be part of the existing law.  Sort of like when they finally figured out that date rape was really rape they just added it to the existing laws.  Can't buy a gun, you can't buy ammo.  That is about as simple and common sense as one can get.  The only reason I can see for being against it is some fear of the left. 

[ayin jade]

25 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

It should not be "more laws", it should be part of the existing law.  Sort of like when they finally figured out that date rape was really rape they just added it to the existing laws.  Can't buy a gun, you can't buy ammo.  That is about as simple and common sense as one can get.  The only reason I can see for being against it is some fear of the left. 

Or some are just plain tired of all the laws that keep getting enacted. 

[Running Gator]

9 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

Or some are just plain tired of all the laws that keep getting enacted. 

It makes no sense to ignore a good idea because of unrelated bad ideas.

[shoes_untied]

4 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said:

I have never been a fan of the "why have the law when the criminals wont follow it anyhow" logic.  IF we are going to use this logic for guns, why not for every crime? and if we are not going to use it for every crime, why use it for guns?

Would anyone agree if someone said 'We need to get rid of speed limits since speeders  are going to speed any way"?

 

Well, I'm not a fan of that logic either but I'm not sure speeding is completely analogous because people don't view speeding as a common method of assaulting another person that can only be countered by also speeding.  I don't like it because it uses a slight of hand to avoid the fact that the illegal gun supply rides on the backs of the legal gun trade.  The more legal guns around the more opportunity for those guns to get into the hands of a someone illegally.  Legal and illegal gun ownership do not use mutually exclusive supply chains.

What I find absurd is that in a few minutes the same people that view the slightest change in gun laws to be huge attack on their protection against the tyranny of their government will be cheering loudly for someone who wants the same government to completely wall off the entire southern border of our country.

Edited September 1, 2016 by shoes_untied

[The_Patriot21]

2 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said:

We charge people with multiple charges for the same incident all the time, it helps to get the conviction as well as add jail time. 

Yes, but in this case it would be like charging the speeder not only for speeding-but burning to much gas. It goes from common sense to ridiculous, pretty much that fast.

[other one]

3 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said:

Except that the only place that anyone wants to take away all guns from everyone is in the collective paranoid mind of the far right.  Nobody is coming for your guns or mine, that is just a scare tactic used by people to get you to vote for them.

You've got to be kidding...

[other one]

They can track who has what general kind of weapons even if they are not recorded anywhere.

[ayin jade]

2 hours ago, shoes_untied said:

Well, I'm not a fan of that logic either but I'm not sure speeding is completely analogous because people don't view speeding as a common method of assaulting another person that can only be countered by also speeding.  I don't like it because it uses a slight of hand to avoid the fact that the illegal gun supply rides on the backs of the legal gun trade.  The more legal guns around the more opportunity for those guns to get into the hands of a someone illegally.  Legal and illegal gun ownership do not use mutually exclusive supply chains.

What I find absurd is that in a few minutes the same people that view the slightest change in gun laws to be huge attack on their protection against the tyranny of their government will be cheering loudly for someone who wants the same government to completely wall off the entire southern border of our country.

Walling off the border will slow down the invasion. Come see life in southern arizona.