nebula Posted October 21, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Churchmouse said: (sarcasm alert) Whoop, Whoop, whoop.....I guess it doesn't matter that God is on the throne. (sarcasm alert over) God was on His throne when Hitler became leader of Germany. God was on His throne when Communists took over Russia and China. God was on His thrown when ISIS beheaded Christians. God was on His throne when Christians in places like Sudan were burned alive. God was on His throne when abortion became legalized. God was on His throne when a young man entered Sandy Hook Elementary School and started shooting up children. Your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted October 21, 2016 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted October 21, 2016 12 minutes ago, nebula said: Did black people hold flags of other countries at their political rallies and promise to implement religious laws that would push out the Constitution of the United States? Do you have some video of this lady doing these things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoJoe Posted October 21, 2016 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 207 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,651 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 5,761 Days Won: 4 Joined: 01/31/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/04/1943 Share Posted October 21, 2016 6 minutes ago, nebula said: Your point? Trust In Jesus Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Proverbs 3:5-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Out of the Shadows said: You know, we have had Muslims in the country for more than 200 years. Yeah, and they have stayed passive for a while, but they won't stay that way, and they have been playing us for fools. Muslims are passive in a host nation until they are strong enough as a population, as a political voting bloc to affect change. And as they get more numerous, they will be running for office and seeking to replace our laws with Sharia. One only needs to look at what is happening Europe, in Germany in particular, to see what is coming our shores if we let in these unvetted, so-called "refugees." Islam doesn't assimilate. It seeks to dominate. The Muslims are more trouble than their worth. They have no place in our government and our government needs to be purged of Muslim influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Churchmouse Posted October 21, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,216 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 1,014 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/29/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/02/1958 Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, shiloh357 said: The whole reason they want access to our legislatures is to enact Sharia Law. And if very many of them are elected, that is exactly what they will do. They will represent Muslims, not the American people as a whole. And how do you know this? People talk about Muslims as i they were all the same people and then forget how many people who call themselves Christian, but choose not to follow Gods law when they are elected. Their are just as many fraudulent Muslims as there are fraudulent Christians. What blows my mind is that they are of a false religion and many over there are less afraid of dying as we are. We either know where we are going or we don't. Another thing is for almost as long as our country has existed, we have been kept in the dark, by a government who has never corrected this fact: It is not like this country has any footing to call itself a Christian country. The government signed away it's right to call us a Christian country when President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797, and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797, The Treaty_of_Tripoli. Quote Article 11 Article 11 has been and is a point of contention in popular culture disputes on the doctrine of separation of church and state as it applies to the founding principles of the United States. Some religious spokesmen claim that—despite unanimous ratification by the U.S. Senate in English—the text which appears as Article 11 in the English translation does not appear in the Arabic text of the treaty.[10] Some historians have argued that the phrase specifically refers to the government and not the culture, that it only speaks of the founding and not what America became or might become,[12] and that many Founding Fathers and newspapers described America as a Christian nation during the early Republic.[13] Article 11 Article 11 reads: Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. According to Frank Lambert, Professor of History at Purdue University, the assurances in Article 11 were "intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers." Lambert writes, "By their actions, the Founding Fathers made clear that their primary concern was religious freedom, not the advancement of a state religion. Individuals, not the government, would define religious faith and practice in the United States. Thus the Founders ensured that in no official sense would America be a Christian Republic. Ten years after the Constitutional Convention ended its work, the country assured the world that the United States was a secular state, and that its negotiations would adhere to the rule of law, not the dictates of the Christian faith. The assurances were contained in the Treaty of Tripoli of 1797 and were intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers.[14] The treaty was printed in the Philadelphia Gazette and two New York papers, with only scant public dissent, most notably from William Cobbett.[15] A second treaty, the Treaty of Peace and Amity signed on July 4, 1805, superseded the 1796 treaty. The 1805 treaty did not contain the phrase "not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion. It didn't refute anything. It just cowardly took the language "not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." out of that document. We are still operating under that presidence even today. Anyone who knows about this stuff understands that treaties, once signed have the power and authority of law. This is one of the benefits of debating Atheists. You get to understand just where we rate as Christians even from our own government. To date, this understanding is still into effect and after so many of the quote/unquote pius leaders we have had, it still remains that characterization. Edited October 21, 2016 by Churchmouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Churchmouse Posted October 21, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,216 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 1,014 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/29/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/02/1958 Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) 26 minutes ago, nebula said: God was on His throne when Hitler became leader of Germany. God was on His throne when Communists took over Russia and China. God was on His thrown when ISIS beheaded Christians. God was on His throne when Christians in places like Sudan were burned alive. God was on His throne when abortion became legalized. God was on His throne when a young man entered Sandy Hook Elementary School and started shooting up children. Your point? My point is what are you afraid of. The government is already taking away our freedoms, even our religious liberties and you are wondering about something you can only speculate on. God will allow to happen here what he will allow to happen here. Jesus stated a long time ago that we will suffer and die for him. As I look around at the world around us, when Christian women are being burned for not wanting to marry Muslim men, I see these little episodes of uneasiness that happens over here as a blessing. Edited October 21, 2016 by Churchmouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoJoe Posted October 21, 2016 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 207 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,651 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 5,761 Days Won: 4 Joined: 01/31/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/04/1943 Share Posted October 21, 2016 47 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: they have stayed passive for a while, but they won't stay that way.... they have been playing us for fools.... Muslims are passive in a host nation.... until they are strong enough to affect change.... as they get more numerous, they will be running for office.... seeking to replace our laws with Sharia.... One only needs to look at what is happening Europe.... in Germany in particular, to see what is coming.... if we let in these unvetted.... so-called "refugees.".... Islam doesn't assimilate.... It seeks to dominate.... The Muslims are more trouble.... than they're worth.... They have no place in our government.... our government needs to be purged of Muslim influence.... The Lawlessness Along With The Evil Of Men's Unholy Sharia Law Can Be Clearly Seen In Their Total Contempt For The Law Of The God Of Abraham Isaac And Israel "Honor your father and your mother, that it may be well with you, that your days may be long in the land which the LORD your God gives you. "Do not commit adultery. "Do not murder. "Do not steal. "Do not give false testimony against your neighbor. "Do not covet your neighbor's house. Do not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's." Exodus 20:12-17 (New Heart English Bible) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Churchmouse said: And how do you know this? People talk about Muslims as i they were all the same people and then forget how many people who call themselves Christian, but choose not to follow Gods law when they are elected. Islam and Christianity cannot really be compared like that. Good Muslims are not good people. Bad Muslims can be 'good' people. ISIS, for example are good Muslims, but bad people. In fact, ISIS is the purest form of Islam on earth, at this time. Practicing Muslims view Sharia law as superior to the Constitution and want to supplant our Constitution. They want it so that if a Muslim and a non-muslim American have a dispute, that it will be settled in a Sharia court. The American would have to surrender his constitutional rights in order to be tried in a Sharia court, as Sharia operates from a totally different perspective and would naturally favor the Muslim. Their are just as many fraudulent Muslims as there are fraudulent Christians. Quote What blows my mind is that they are of a false religion and many over there are less afraid of dying as we are. We either know where we are going or we don't. But in Islam, there is no guarantee of a good afterlife, unless you die as a martyr (terrorist). In Islam, there is no way to know if you have been a good enough Muslim to deserve Heaven and the standards don't stay the same. allah is rather capricious. Quote Another thing is for almost as long as our country has existed, we have been kept in the dark, by a government who has never corrected this fact: It is not like this country has any footing to call itself a Christian country. The government signed away it's right to call us a Christian country when President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797, and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797, The Treaty_of_Tripoli. A second treaty, the Treaty of Peace and Amity signed on July 4, 1805, superseded the 1796 treaty. The 1805 treaty did not contain the phrase "not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion. It didn't refute anything. It just cowardly took the language "not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." out of that document. We are still operating under that presidence even today. Anyone who knows about this stuff understands that treaties, once signed have the power and authority of law. This is one of the benefits of debating Atheists. You get to understand just where we rate as Christians even from our own government. To date, this understanding is still into effect and after so many of the quote/unquote pius leaders we have had, it still remains that characterization. This issue is not about whether the US is a Christian nation. It is about the fact that Muslims want to make it a Muslim nation and Muslim nations are bankrolling that effort. If Muslims are elected to the Legislature, we will end up as a Muslim nation some day. Maybe not in our lifetime, but down the road. Islam doesn't recognize any separation of religion and state. Islam is both a religion and a government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Churchmouse Posted October 21, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,216 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 1,014 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/29/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/02/1958 Share Posted October 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: Islam and Christianity cannot really be compared like that. Good Muslims are not good people. Bad Muslims can be 'good' people. ISIS, for example are good Muslims, but bad people. In fact, ISIS is the purest form of Islam on earth, at this time. Practicing Muslims view Sharia law as superior to the Constitution and want to supplant our Constitution. They want it so that if a Muslim and a non-muslim American have a dispute, that it will be settled in a Sharia court. The American would have to surrender his constitutional rights in order to be tried in a Sharia court, as Sharia operates from a totally different perspective and would naturally favor the Muslim. What is this about equating good Muslims with good people and forgetting what quote/unquote good Christians have done in the name of God, but in the pursuit of enriching themselves. Isis is the purist form of Islam when mixed with political goals. They have killed Muslims too, just be declaring them not Muslim enough. Of course practicing theists have always thought the laws of their God superior to that of secular laws. We can see that descent of the Christian community against gay marriage and these ridiculous laws they are trying to push about male and female bathrooms. The only difference is that the Muslim community are being told that these laws come from a depraved government that needs Allah as we tell each other that it is because the government needs God. What's going on in this country is the left is so concentrated with their own ideology, that states that Christianity, who they are far more familiar with than any other religion is hateful and that everyone else is just a victim of Christianity. This is why there is talk of sharia law and it's inclusion in American society is being discussed, but you have to ask yourself who is bringing this up? I would be willing to bet it comes mostly from the media and the left wing people who want to paint religious people in that light of fanatic loonatics that want to restrict every other form of expression other than our own. They have done so in the past and will continue to do so in the future. If they can place two theologies against eachother, that is all the better, because to them they are killing two birds with one stone. What you see around the world is the clash of two cultures that are going through the birth pains of so great a thing. To concentrate on the exploits of those within a religion who sees anything else as a defilement is to paint a entire people with a huge brush as those in the secular world have done us for such a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Churchmouse Posted October 21, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,216 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 1,014 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/29/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/02/1958 Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) 55 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: Islam and Christianity cannot really be compared like that. Good Muslims are not good people. Bad Muslims can be 'good' people. ISIS, for example are good Muslims, but bad people. In fact, ISIS is the purest form of Islam on earth, at this time. Practicing Muslims view Sharia law as superior to the Constitution and want to supplant our Constitution. They want it so that if a Muslim and a non-muslim American have a dispute, that it will be settled in a Sharia court. The American would have to surrender his constitutional rights in order to be tried in a Sharia court, as Sharia operates from a totally different perspective and would naturally favor the Muslim. Their are just as many fraudulent Muslims as there are fraudulent Christians. But in Islam, there is no guarantee of a good afterlife, unless you die as a martyr (terrorist). In Islam, there is no way to know if you have been a good enough Muslim to deserve Heaven and the standards don't stay the same. allah is rather capricious. This issue is not about whether the US is a Christian nation. It is about the fact that Muslims want to make it a Muslim nation and Muslim nations are bankrolling that effort. If Muslims are elected to the Legislature, we will end up as a Muslim nation some day. Maybe not in our lifetime, but down the road. Islam doesn't recognize any separation of religion and state. Islam is both a religion and a government. Islam is a false religion. Dude. Do you know how many Christian's assume already that this is a Christian country by the intent of the founding father's? I've been cussed out and have been put on peoples ignore button for just bringing this reality up. If this was a Muslim country or had that reputation, don't you think there would be people out there who would want to convert the country to Christianity. As far as Islam being a religion and a political system, I would suggest you review the history of Christendom throughout Europe. How many countries have concentrated on either being Catholic or protestant and see the results of that. The one thing that I can see is that we are in the final days of this world and see what was fortold in Revolation all around us. I see the hand of God at work here and I know that he will allow so much to happen to his children and I have faith in that. I've let go and let God on this issue as I have so many times before and my faith tells me, that whatever happens. All that is in this world can be taken from me, but my life can't not be because of my Lord and Savior. Jesus Christ. All else is just the passing of time, as it always has been. Edited October 21, 2016 by Churchmouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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