woundeddog Posted November 20, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Author Share Posted November 20, 2016 34 minutes ago, LadyKay said: and go make come cookies. chocolate chip?? could I please have some?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted November 20, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Author Share Posted November 20, 2016 7 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said: Can you show me in the Bible where Jesus said to be hate filled towards the unsaved? That is not my premise-- I never said to hate the unsaved-- to alert some one to sin is not to hate them--- just the opposite- is loving them letting them go to hell because you where afraid if insulting them?? I think not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted November 20, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Author Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Redemption79 said: if a Christian is motivated by his or her own hatred towards non believers, not everyone that says they are a Christian is a Christian- 1 John 2 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes. 1John 4 7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. Possibly some one who is exhibiting hate towards others may not really be a Christian, or is in desperate error and is not mature in the Lord Real Christianity is not some social club you go to a couple of times a month, and assume some religious brand name-- its a desperate dependance on Jesus Christ for salvation and all that life is Edited November 20, 2016 by woundeddog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thilipsis Posted November 21, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 253 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 149 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/10/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1963 Share Posted November 21, 2016 3 hours ago, Churchmouse said: Liberals are the types of people who scrutinize any form of authority outside of their own and cast all others in such a light that will illuminate their values in such a way that will vindicate them and justify their actions. Been reading through the fundamentals of the faith, a four collection of essays defending the Christian Scriptures and core convictions. Its over a hundred years old but looking at what the modern seminaries are teaching apparently warnings of an encroaching liberal theology went unheaded. Its not just politics it's in activists social agenda, legal issues from eugenetics to assisted suicide, even evolution reflects a liberal view of traditional theistic reasoning. That said I'm not sold on a tea party pro status quo hard right either. Like Aristotle said virtue is the balance between two extreme. excess and deficiency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted November 21, 2016 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted November 21, 2016 1 hour ago, woundeddog said: That is not my premise-- I never said to hate the unsaved-- to alert some one to sin is not to hate them--- just the opposite- is loving them letting them go to hell because you where afraid if insulting them?? I think not Oh, so these statements are not insults... ...group of reprobates... ... anarchists, socialists, communists, marxists, fascists, anti-Semites, racists... ... They are simply pawns of the Devil ... you are just alerting the 60 million plus people you lumped into this big group of their sins. I see now. Thanks for clearing that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Churchmouse Posted November 21, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,216 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 1,014 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/29/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/02/1958 Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, thilipsis said: Been reading through the fundamentals of the faith, a four collection of essays defending the Christian Scriptures and core convictions. Its over a hundred years old but looking at what the modern seminaries are teaching apparently warnings of an encroaching liberal theology went unheaded. Its not just politics it's in activists social agenda, legal issues from eugenetics to assisted suicide, even evolution reflects a liberal view of traditional theistic reasoning. That said I'm not sold on a tea party pro status quo hard right either. Like Aristotle said virtue is the balance between two extreme. excess and deficiency. Politics and religion are not strange bedfellows, they are separate entities that when mixed dilute and disfigure each other until they are unrecognizable. These are two separate and distinct masters and as the Bible states. Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. If you look at all these, they are political and serve the desires of man to dominate man. Politics is a game for control freaks to facilitate their own comfort zone. It doesn't matter wither it is of the left or of the right. It serves to make the world around us more comfortable without the good works that if done would be far more palatable to those onlookers who view both the left and the right as equally insane. Edited November 21, 2016 by Churchmouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 9 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said: Can you show me in the Bible where Jesus said to be hate filled towards the unsaved? Can you show me in the Bible where Jesus said to mock, insult and attack those who think differently than we do? The Jesus I follow said this: 43“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet only your brothers,i what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Can you show me where this is lived out in this thread, I know I sure do not see it. So where's outrage when Christians are the objects of mockery and insults and attacks? Dead silence there. Jesus and Paul had plenty harsh things to say their enemies. Paul even suggested at one point that they cut off their genitals. He'd get a few warning points on WBs. Jesus called his enemies, "sons of Hell," "brood of vipers," "hypocrites," and said their father was Satan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted November 21, 2016 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted November 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: So where's outrage when Christians are the objects of mockery and insults and attacks? Dead silence there. So, since Christians are the objects of mockery and insults and attacks it is ok for them to return such actions, is that your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thilipsis Posted November 21, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 253 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 149 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/10/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1963 Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, Churchmouse said: Politics and religion are not strange bedfellows, they are separate entities that when mixed delete and disfigure each other until they are unrecognizable. These are two seperate and distinct masters and as the Bible states. Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. If you look at all these, they are political and serve the desires of man to dominate man. Politics is a game for control freaks to facilitate their own comfort zone. It doesn't mater wither it is of the left or of the right. It serves to make the world around us more comfortable without the good works that if done would be far more palatable to those onlookers who view both the left and the right as equally insane. Reading your post I was thinking about Jesus in Galilee, he just feed the 5,000 and they decide to make him king, the implication is they aren't asking nicely. He demands that they believe in him, that they only want him to be king because their bellies were full, he demanded faith and many of them would not follow him anymore, that had to hurt. If you remember the Exodus they called the bread of heaven, manna, worthless so he gave them all they could eat and they were getting ever closer to the promised land but in their hearts they turned back to Egypt and rose up and worshiped a golden calf. Moses was constantly complaining they were a bunch of stiff necked and rebellious people. When it came time they not only failed to believe Joshua and Caleb that God would drive their enemies out they were going to kill Joshua and Caleb. Since then we have seen the rise of the Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant Reformation fighting the Thirty Years war and a terrible civil war in England. In the wake of this tremendous political upheaval William and Mary signed the eight charters the would grow to become the thirteen colonies. Before and after the Revolution there were two profoundly Christian movements, the Great Awakening 1 and 2, a revival that sandwiched the American War of Independence. This movement was started when Johnathan Edwards preached a sermon, Sinners in the hands of an Angry God where he described the Church as crossing a rickety bridge and below was lava, fire and smoke. The very definition of a fire and brimstone sermon. John Wesley would go on to preach as London was being over run with the poor and desperately poor telling Christians we have a greater duty then church attendance, we were called to have a burden for the poor and the Methodist/Wesleyan movement was born. Wesley also preached compassion for the rich and powerful and was one of the key people involved in the Bloodless Revolution. I actually have a point, not meaning to sermonize. Christians have been involved in all kinds of political issues but our power comes from the grace that saves us. Aligning ourselves with either party isn't how Christian influence is really supposed to be brought to bear and worldly governance. If we do not respond to the promises of God with repentance and faith any political influence we might have is worse then useless. I saw the Culture War unfold and apparently the issues of abortion, same sex activism and Creationism that were key issues have resulted in the Church being alienated from the portals of political power. The fault is in ourselves, not the political parties be they conservative or liberal. We know how this ends, the world is at enmity with God because of sin and if we are lured into worldly thinking we are simply part of the problem. Pilate was desperate to free Jesus but he was told in no uncertain terms that he wasn't in charge of the situation. We will continue to struggle against the powers and principalities as we take a stand on the Gospel of peace and if we fail to do this, if we leave our first love, if we manage to convince ourselves we are rich and in need of nothing then we will fall. I'm going to get off my soapbox now and leave you with one final thought. The Most High is Sovereign and rules in the affairs of men. Grace and peace, Mark Edited November 21, 2016 by thilipsis wording Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted November 21, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Author Share Posted November 21, 2016 5 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said: you are just alerting the 60 million plus people you lumped into this big group of their sins. I see now. Thanks for clearing that up. calm down shadows- and check the posts-- I never said those things- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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