Satanic Counterfeits Amongst the Church

[KittyBubbleFlowers]

5 minutes ago, White Rabbitt said:

No, your answer needs to be more than that.

You said satanists, you spoke for satanists.

How do you know satanists were involved in changing the church.

Hagen and Roberts were not satanists.

Where are you getting this satanists stuff.

Can you name any books?

Anything online you can post for us?

Or are we back to your OPINION again?

 What a very troubled soul it is that makes such dark remarks that have no bearing in the reality of my post history in this thread. 

 You revere Joel Osteen. I told you the history behind his teaching method. If you wish to educate yourself seek it out. Take the same amount of time to learn something as you do to make false accusations toward me. I never made a remark about satanists.  And it is a false accusation that I ever said a thing to that effect concerning Hagen and Roberts. 

 

 

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[KittyBubbleFlowers]

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Joel Osteen-Preaching a False-Positive, with a Smile

The Teaching

When Joel Osteen was on Bill O'Reilly’s show, he was asked if he believed whether Jesus was the way, the truth and the life, the only way to God. Osteen ignored this question, saying he doesn't get into that. That evasive answer is indicative of his broad positive approach that attracts the masses.

When interviewed by  Larry King on June 20,2005, Osteen avoided a similar question and was non committal to Jesus being the only way. King asked Osteen where Jews or Muslims would go if they don't accept Christ. 

KING: “What if you're Jewish or Muslim, you don't accept Christ at all?
OSTEEN: “You know, I'm very careful about saying who would and wouldn't go to heaven. I don't know ...
KING: “If you believe you have to believe in Christ? They're wrong, aren't they?
OSTEEN: “Well, I don't know if I believe they're wrong. I believe here's what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God with judge a person's heart. ... I don't know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don't know. I've seen their sincerity. So I don't know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.

Osteen posted the following letter of apology letter on his Web site: “Many of you have called, written or e-mailed" (regarding his Larry King Live appearance).

"I appreciate your comments and value your words of correction and encouragement," he said. "It was never my desire or intention to leave any doubt as to what I believe and whom I serve. I believe with all my heart that it is only through Christ that we have hope in eternal life. I regret and sincerely apologize that I was unclear on the very thing in which I have dedicated my life.”

He then said he believes that "Jesus Christ alone is the only way to salvation," referencing John 14.“It wasn't until I had the opportunity to review the transcript of the interview that I realize I had not clearly stated that having a personal relationship with Jesus is the only way to heaven,” he said. http://www.charismanow.com/a.php?ArticleID=11413

It seems to me that it wasn’t until people complained that he even looked to the transcript. 

 

 

The false ministry of Joel Osteen

[other one]

1 hour ago, White Rabbitt said:

No, your answer needs to be more than that.

You said satanists, you spoke for satanists.

How do you know satanists were involved in changing the church.

Hagen and Roberts were not satanists.

Where are you getting this satanists stuff.

Can you name any books?

Anything online you can post for us?

Or are we back to your OPINION again?

I wouldn't necessarily call them satanists, but I can tell you that they were frauds.  In my days as a television director I personally saw and worked with people who saw worse. I've seen people back stage jump into wheelchairs or trot over to pick up their crutches to go out on stage to be healed.

 

Also my half brother was brain damaged at birth and wanted to go to a Robert's healing service, but didn't have the money for the get in the door charge....  that would have been in the late 50's/early 60'so.  I have no respect for either of them, or any of the prosperity preachers.

Robert's got so blind that he could not even read our quecards, but wouldn't put on his glasses out of fear that people wouldn't trust his healing guift....   he finally did wear them as he got rather hampered by not being able to see.   I never understood why he didn't use contacts

[FresnoJoe]

14 hours ago, KittyBubbleFlowers said:

Actually it is a matter of history. Today's so called prosperity gospel started in the 1940's as what was known as the Faith and Healing movement. Pioneered by Ken Hagin Sr. and Oral Roberts.

 You should check it out. 

Beloved I Think The Faith And Healing Movement

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. John 14:12

Started Long Long Before Hagin And Roberts

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The Bible contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way of salvation, the doom of sinners, and the happiness of believers. Its doctrines are holy, its precepts are binding, its histories are true, and its decisions are immutable.

Read it to be wise, believe it to be safe, and practice it to be holy. It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you.

It is the traveler’s map, the pilgrim’s staff, the pilot’s compass, the soldier’s sword and the Christian’s charter. Here too, Heaven is opened and the gates of Hell disclosed.

Christ is its grand subject, our good its design, and the glory of God its end. It should fill the memory, rule the heart and guide the feet. Read it slowly, frequently and prayerfully.  It is a mine of wealth, a paradise of glory, and a river of pleasure.

It is given you in life, will be opened at the judgment, and be remembered forever. It involves the highest responsibility, rewards the greatest labor, and will condemn all who trifle with its sacred contents.

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[KittyBubbleFlowers]

Ew Kenyon initiated the Holiness movement as I remember. 

I don't believe I am mistaken as concerning the faith and healing movement of the 1940's. 

 

[KittyBubbleFlowers]

42 minutes ago, other one said:

I wouldn't necessarily call them satanists, but I can tell you that they were frauds.  In my days as a television director I personally saw and worked with people who saw worse. I've seen people back stage jump into wheelchairs or trot over to pick up their crutches to go out on stage to be healed.

 

Also my half brother was brain damaged at birth and wanted to go to a Robert's healing service, but didn't have the money for the get in the door charge....  that would have been in the late 50's/early 60'so.  I have no respect for either of them, or any of the prosperity preachers.

Robert's got so blind that he could not even read our quecards, but wouldn't put on his glasses out of fear that people wouldn't trust his healing guift....   he finally did wear them as he got rather hampered by not being able to see.   I never understood why he didn't use contacts

Today I think Benny Hinn is the most obscene fake healer out there. Though his wife, or is she now an ex? , is fast trying to match his style. 

Did you catch Oral Roberts when he broadcast his own testimony that he was a greedy materialist fraud? And before his own congregation? 

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/decemberweb-only/151-21.0.html

[other one]

50 minutes ago, KittyBubbleFlowers said:

Today I think Benny Hinn is the most obscene fake healer out there. Though his wife, or is she now an ex? , is fast trying to match his style. 

Did you catch Oral Roberts when he broadcast his own testimony that he was a greedy materialist fraud? And before his own congregation? 

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/decemberweb-only/151-21.0.html

I did not see the broadcast, but it's not new information to me....   and it is so sad that he and others use the gospel for gain...

[KittyBubbleFlowers]

2 hours ago, other one said:

I did not see the broadcast, but it's not new information to me....   and it is so sad that he and others use the gospel for gain...

I agree. There are those like Osteen that teach if you praise God he'll get ya paid. As if Jesus is a magic lamp. Rub the Bible, have faith, and money arrives. 
Osteen lives in a multi-million dollar mansion in a gated community. His dad was a prosperity pastor too but not anywhere near the caliber of congregant numbers his son is today. 

They were robbed some years ago, Lakewood church. The take for a weekends receipts? Though there was never any follow up that I've heard of, $600,000. In cash , checks , and CC's. 

WOW! 

 

[KittyBubbleFlowers]

Peter Popov! That's the name that came to mind reading your remarks. Have you seen the healing water he's got out now? These women are testifying as to its effects bringing them gobs of money after they used it by following Popov's instructions. 

He's quite old but his hair is jet black. Veneer's smiling like a $avage wolf. My take is they're atheists using the gullibility factor of those desperate to believe what they're selling and in order to get rich. 

Creflo A. Dollar is another one. There's something about a pastor with Dollar as a last name. He made news telling his congregation the amount of money they each needed to give in order for him to buy a state of the art jet. 

The millions for that private flight access would have saved the lives of countless people in his community. Shelters, food, clothing. 

But Creflo needs a jet! Because commercial is just not on his to-do list. 

It's Christ like though, right? When Jesus spread the good news he tallied countless miles on that Year 30 Bentley....