Daniel 11:36 Posted June 2, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 2, 2017 "if any of this is rearranged it is done so in violation of the hermeneutic of Scripture" No doubt about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted June 2, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 2, 2017 8 hours ago, inchrist said: And yet you wanted back up. Im sorry but even your technique is wrong. Scripture does not work like that.... Scripture demands for all things to be tested, and I refuse to ignore all the prophets concerning this matter, simply because it doesnt fly with your theory. What you fail to understand is that I am all for scripture backing up scripture, yet what I question highly is one's interpretation of scripture, which is what you provided, your understanding. Scripture speaks for itself and Revelation can stand alone. For Revelation to be true, it does not need to refer back to other scripture. Revelation is the only book in the bible that God Himself warns us not to add to or take away from anything said in this prophecy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted June 2, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 2, 2017 On 2/8/2017 at 9:39 AM, WailingWall said: 1 THES. 4 [13] But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye SORROW NOT, EVEN AS OTHERS which have no hope. [14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with THE VOICE of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them IN THE CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1THES.4 – voice – clouds – trump of God – sorrow not as others - ZEPH. 1 – voice – clouds – the trumpet – man shall cry bitterly - ZEPH. 1 [14] The great DAY OF THE LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even THE VOICE of the day of the Lord: the mighty MAN SHALL CRY THERE BITTERLY. [15] That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a DAY OF CLOUDS and thick darkness, [16] A DAY OF THE TRUMPET and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. [17] And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the Lord: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung. No doubt about it. Both scriptures are speaking of the same event. Both scriptures speak of what happens on the Day of the Lord. The Day of the Lord takes place AFTER the tribulation period True - it is after the Tribulation... in fact it is at the Rev 19 second coming. It is at the John 14:1-3 second coming. It is at the Matt 24 second coming. It is at the 2 Thess 2:1-4 second coming. That one second coming event - described so often in the NT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted June 2, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 2, 2017 On 2/8/2017 at 11:26 AM, Daniel 11:36 said: The day of the Lord will first accommodate His promise to raise the dead and change the living of His true ecclesia .... then He will vent his furry upon an unbelieving world true. The rest of your post is problematic - but that part is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted June 2, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 2, 2017 On 2/8/2017 at 2:35 PM, Keras said: There IS doubt! I for one will not grieve when Jesus Returns in His glory. No; you don't see that there is more that one Day of the Lord to come. Revelation plainly states that the Day of the Lord's wrath happens at the Sixth Seal, which must be years before His Return - the Great Day of Almighty God. Rev 16:14 The Day of vengeance and wrath is prophesied over 100 times in the Bible. It will be when the Lord destroys the Islamic attackers of Israel, as in Psalm 83 Revelation describes the 2nd coming in Rev 6, in Rev 14, in Rev 16, In Rev 19...repeatedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keras Posted June 2, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,686 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 301 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/31/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/07/1941 Share Posted June 2, 2017 , It is evident that there are two separate ‘Days of the Lord’ in which the Lord acts to punish His enemies. The Sixth Seal, the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, is the next prophesied event that we can expect, of a worldwide judgement/punishment by fire from the sun, which will clear and cleanse His Land. Most clearly described in Isaiah 63:1-6 and Habakkuk 3:12 ‘Furiously You traverse the earth, in anger You trample down the nations.’ Also 2 Peter 3:7, Zephaniah 3:8, Isaiah 66:15-16, + But on the Day of wrath, the Lord is not seen: Psalm 18:11, Psalm 11:4-6, Luke 21:34-35 Then, much later, at the Return of Jesus, is the Sixth and Seventh Bowl fulfilment, the great Day of the Sovereign Lord, when He disposes of the armies of the Anti Christ and commences His Millennial reign. Revelation 19:19-21, Zechariah 14:3-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted June 2, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 2, 2017 On 6/2/2017 at 5:55 PM, Keras said: It is evident that there are two separate ‘Days of the Lord’ in which the Lord acts to punish His enemies. The Sixth Seal, the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, is the next prophesied event that we can expect, of a worldwide judgement/punishment by fire from the sun, which will clear and cleanse His Land. Most clearly described in Isaiah 63:1-6 and Habakkuk 3:12 ‘Furiously You traverse the earth, in anger You trample down the nations.’ Also 2 Peter 3:7, Zephaniah 3:8, Isaiah 66:15-16, + But on the Day of wrath, the Lord is not seen: Psalm 18:11 Then, much later, at the Return of Jesus, is the Sixth and Seventh Bowl fulfilment, the great Day of the Sovereign Lord, when He disposes of the armies of the Anti Christ and commences His Millennial reign. Revelation 19:19-21, Zechariah 14:3-5 Rev 19 is the 2nd coming event (as is 1Thess 4 and 2Thess 2, Matt 24, John 14:1-3) - where all the wicked a slain, the righteous raised up in the "first resurrection" and all the saints both those who "remain" and those resurrected taken up in the air to meet the Lord - and in fact taken to heaven "in My Father's house... I go to prepare a place for you.. I will come again and receive you to Myself THAT where I am there you may be also" --- that is the 2nd coming event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keras Posted June 2, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,686 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 301 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/31/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/07/1941 Share Posted June 2, 2017 So you are happy to deny the scriptures saying how the Lord will send fire to destroy His enemies? Amos 1, Isaiah 66:15-17, + At Jesus' Return, He just wipes our the army of the Anti-Christ, at Armageddon. You mix up prophecy to make itallhappenattheReturn. Realize that there has to be some kind of dramatic event to enable the establishment of the One World Govt. Paul talks about it in 1 Thess 5:1-3 and the terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath that comes as a thief, cannot be the same Day as the Return; which will be known to the exact day by those with a Bible. That glorious Day will be 1260 days after the Anti-Christ sits in the Temple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted June 3, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted June 3, 2017 3 hours ago, Keras said: So you are happy to deny the scriptures saying how the Lord will send fire to destroy His enemies? Amos 1, Isaiah 66:15-17, + At Jesus' Return, He just wipes our the army of the Anti-Christ, at Armageddon. You mix up prophecy to make itallhappenattheReturn. Realize that there has to be some kind of dramatic event to enable the establishment of the One World Govt. Paul talks about it in 1 Thess 5:1-3 and the terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath that comes as a thief, cannot be the same Day as the Return; which will be known to the exact day by those with a Bible. That glorious Day will be 1260 days after the Anti-Christ sits in the Temple. What about this keras? Revelation 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. As far as I can tell, this is when the fire enters into it regarding what is described in the OT prophets. God bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted June 3, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 3, 2017 Just now, wingnut- said: What about this keras? Revelation 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. As far as I can tell, this is when the fire enters into it regarding what is described in the OT prophets. God bless That fiery event happens after the 1000 years according to Rev 20 and is the "lake of fire" event as stated there. The 2nd resurrection takes place after the 1000 years - then the wicked of all ages are judged and cast into the lake of fire. However there is the other fire event - the Rev 19 fire event (and sudden death) for the living wicked - at the second coming, at the start of the 1000 years. Rev 19: 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh. 2 Thess 1: , 5 which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed. John 14:1-3 "If I go away I will come again..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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