9/23/17, Rev 12:5, X etc..

[Heb 13:8]

9 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

First of all,   Jesus is not going to return until the war of Armageddon, and before that we still have seven years of tribulatoin, the anti-christ, the mark of the beast and a whole host of things that have to happen before he returns and sets up his kingdom and there are no signs for the rapture.

The rapture and the second coming are 7 years apart shiloh. There ARE signs of the rapture, in Rev 12:5.

1 Thess 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up (harpazo) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

Rev 12:5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne.

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, Heb 13:8 said:

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons (moed), and for days, and years:

Lev 23:2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'These are my appointed festivals (moed), the appointed festivals (moed) of the LORD, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.

Rev 12:1-2 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.

moed: appointed time, place, or meeting
Original Word: מוֹעֵד
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: moed
Phonetic Spelling: (mo-ade')
Short Definition: meeting

1. The Passover (God leads the Jews out of Egypt and slavery)
2. Unleavened Bread (The Death and Burial of Jesus Christ)
3. First Fruits (Resurrection of Jesus Christ)
4. Feast of Weeks/Pentecost (The beginning of the church age, Holy Spirit indwells believers)
5. Feast of Trumpets (The rapture of the church)
6. Day of Atonement (Jesus lands on the Mount of Olives and atones for the sins of Israel at the end of the 7 year tribulation)
7. Feast of Tabernacles (The 1,000 year reign with Christ)

Is the woman giving birth this year or another year? 

She won't be giving birth until the great tribulation.  The sign in the sky is about woman, Israel and takes place as Israel is protected by God in the wilderness during the tribulation.

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, Heb 13:8 said:

The rapture and the second coming are 7 years apart shiloh. There ARE signs of the rapture, in Rev 12:5.

1 Thess 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up (harpazo) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

Rev 12:5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne.

Those are not signs of the rapture.   I Thess. 4:17 IS the rapture.

Rev. 12:5  is about Israel, not the church.   Nowhere is the church ever  referred to as Mary's Son.  Rev. 12:5 takes place during the Tribulation. The rapture takes place before the Tribulation.

[Amazing Horse]

27 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

No, I am 100% sure I will be here on the 24th and so will everyone else who didn't die an untimely death on the 23rd.

Jesus never said we can know the season of His return. 

Still doesn't mean that Jesus is coming back in 2017.

Matthew 24

32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

 

It is not speaking about end , because for 2nd comming we know this is exactly 7 years , 1260 days +1290 days ( one year has additional month ) . We don't have to look for seasons in tribulation to know when it will end , we know exactly days since it starts .

Jesus said that if is spring and you see leaves then you know that summer is comming , likewise if you see these things like earthquakes , wars and rumors of wars , floods you know he is at the door .

[Amazing Horse]

14 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said:

The rapture and the second coming are 7 years apart shiloh. There ARE signs of the rapture, in Rev 12:5.

1 Thess 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up (harpazo) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

Rev 12:5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne.

Remember us talking about sunset or midnight rapture ? Read Matthew 25:6

[Heb 13:8]

6 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

She won't be giving birth until the great tribulation.

I would disagree, the rapture must fulfill the appointed Feast Days?

Allusion to Isaiah 66:7-8. The use of the neuter adjective arsen (male) modifying the masculine noun huios (son) and the image of Israel giving birth points careful readers back to Isaiah 66:7–8, where we read in the Septuagint (Greek version of the Old Testament): “Before she travailed, she brought forth; Before her pain came, she gave birth to a boy (arsen). Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Can a land be born in one day? Can a nation be brought forth all at once? As soon as Zion travailed, she also brought forth her children.” The image is parallel in Revelation, and John explicitly breaks the rules of Greek grammar (modifying the masculine “son” with the neuter “male”) to point us back to this passage in Isaiah 66. The child in both cases is corporate, not individual.

http://www.unsealed.org/2017/01/the-revelation-12-sign-compendium.html

7 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Nowhere is the church ever  referred to as Mary's Son.

You see, that's where the conception/birth study is referenced. I'm not referring to Mary, I'm referring to Israel. Israel is our mother in the sense that the church was conceived in her at Pentecost 2000 years ago. Remember, conception always comes before birth, and the birth is the rapture.

(1.) Virgo is Israel (our mother) Isa 50:1, Jer 3:8, (Micah 5:2 Ephrathah/an Israelite woman), Gal 4:26, and Jupiter is the body of Christ (the child) Isa 66:7-9, Matt 13:38, Luke 20:36, John 12:36, Rom 8:14-17, Gal 3:26, Col 1:18, 1 Thess 5:5, Rev 12:5

(2.) The church has many names and is also considered male Isa 66:7-9, Matt 13:38, Luke 20:36, John 12:36, Rom 8:14, Gal 3:26, 1 Thess 5:5, Rev 12:5

God Bless.

[Last Daze]

4 hours ago, Amazing Horse said:

They overlap if you read all of these verses , maybe it's one crown but you get it in many ways don't know .

I've never really sat down and contemplated the crowns, or how to get them or lose them.  I'm so thankful to God for eternal life in Jesus Christ that anything beyond that gift is icing. 

[Heb 13:8]

6 minutes ago, Amazing Horse said:

Remember us talking about sunset or midnight rapture ? Read Matthew 25:6

I don't think it's referencing 12am, but rather night-time..

nux: night, by night
Original Word: νύξ, νυκτός, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: nux
Phonetic Spelling: (noox)
Short Definition: the night, night-time
Definition: the night, night-time.

[Amazing Horse]

1 minute ago, Heb 13:8 said:

I don't think it's referencing 12am, but rather night-time..

nux: night, by night
Original Word: νύξ, νυκτός, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: nux
Phonetic Spelling: (noox)
Short Definition: the night, night-time
Definition: the night, night-time.

Word for midnight used here is

G3319 - mesos

which is midst

1. middle

2. the midst

3. in the midst of, amongst

[Heb 13:8]

5 minutes ago, Amazing Horse said:

Word for midnight used here is

G3319 - mesos

which is midst

1. middle

2. the midst

3. in the midst of, amongst

Even so, parables use figurative language to describe a bigger picture, such as the thief in Matt 24:43.