The Identity of the Antichrist, the Two Beasts of Revelation, and the Whore of Babylon

[n2thelight]

Babylon is a condition

[Daniel 11:36]

All of the 70th week is still pending .... all of it

[BobRyan]

On 4/21/2017 at 1:21 PM, BobRyan said:

All Bible timelines are contiguous. 

 

That includes the 70 years of Jeremiah referenced in Daniel 9:1-5.

That includes the 70 weeks of years in Daniel 9 (490 years) that point to the coming  of the Messiah.

That includes the 1260 years of dark ages (day for year) in Daniel 7, Rev 11, Rev 12, Rev 13.

That includes the 2300 years (day for year) in Daniel 8

As noted above - all prophetic Bible timelines are contiguous ... so then for example in Daniel 9:1-6 we have the 70 years of Jeremiah. If we 'insert a gap of undefined length" inside that 70 year timeline - then there is no "end" that is predicted in time... because the middle is 'undefined time'. Same with Christ's resurrected on the third day - if we stick in a gap of undefined number of years into the middle -- it does note work. .Same with the 490 year timeline at the end of Daniel 9 ... inserting a gap of undefined length into it - removes its usefulness at predicting the end point.

Hebrews 10 says that Christ's death put an end to sacrifices and offerings. The very thing that Daniel 9 predicts. This happened exactly as the 490 year timeline specified, in midst of the week.

Jesus established the covenant - made firm the covenant saying "this cup is the New Covenant in My blood" again NT points to fulfillment of the Daniel nine 490 year Messianic timeline. The NT does not point to any other events as fullfillment of that timeline.

All Bible timelines are contiguous. 

The Bible provides no support for breaking that established pattern in the Bible.

No Bible author suggests it or confirms such gap-inserting-practices.

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So then - when did this "late comer" idea show up in Christianity since it does not appear in any Bible timeline?

I really have not looked much into the history of it - other than to find that some folks say this -- and I quote.

" The idea that the 70th week doesn’t see fulfillment until the end, comes from a Jesuit Priest of the 1500’s named Francisco Ribera. He created what is today known as the “Futurist Interpretation” and he is the one that first purposed that the 70th week happens at the end. Martin Luther had identified the Catholic Church as the antichrist, and the Jesuits Order was created to take the pressure off of the Catholic Church and draw protestants back to them."

https://youthtruthusa.com/daniels-70-weeks-prophecy/ 

Having a consistent model for timeline interpretation that used the same Daniel 9 "day for year" model and the same Daniel 9:1-6 'no inserting gaps' model -- did not reflect well on that particular denomination when it came to the explanation of the 1260 year period of dark ages.

 

Edited May 1, 2017 by BobRyan

[Daniel 11:36]

Sorry, I do not agree with your summation

The 69th week ended and the Lord was cut off

Since that time He has been waiting to bring the 70th and when He does all will know it

 

[Sab]

Just to throw my 2c into this mix.

i see mystery babylon  as Constantinople/Istanbul. I believed she  was rome for the first 20 years that I was saved but as i learned more history about the eastern roman empire i suddenly saw how Istanbul fitted all the prophecies of rev 17-18.

As the capital of the roman empire this city rode the beast. At least 7 verses state that mystery babylon is a city - not a continent or country or religious system. Constantinople was THE wealthiest city of the medieval  world.

She was built on 7 hills.

She was dressed in scarlet and purple - ie an imperial city

She was hated by the 10 horns who burned and looted her in 1204 - Gibbon says she was left naked and desolate.

When she was taken by the turks and became a habitation of demons the west wailed and lamented her fall. Rev 18:9-10

Every item in rev 18:11-13 is listed under Byzantine economy in World Book Encyclopedia

She is bracing for a major earthquake - rev 18 :21

Any aerial photo shows the city is in 3 parts.  Rev 16:19

She corrupted christianity with idolatry from her inauguration by constantine in 330. Rev 14:8 and 17:4

She persecuted jews and any christians that dared challenge the eastern orthodox view of god/christianity. Introduced the death penalty for religious  dissent. This went way beyond excommunication that was allowed by the early church.

Who will rejoice at her judgement? I will.

 

[Sab]

Bob Ryan i totally agree with you.

[BobRyan]

On 5/1/2017 at 0:08 PM, Daniel 11:36 said:

Sorry, I do not agree with your summation

The 69th week ended and the Lord was cut off

Since that time He has been waiting to bring the 70th and when He does all will know it

 

Daniel 9 states that it is a 70 week timeline not a 69 week timeline.

 

All Bible timelines are contiguous -- they cannot be hacked,chopped,diced with gaps of undefined time inserted into them.

This is irrefutable.

[Daniel 11:36]

I don't think so .... the 69th week ended and the Lord ended His engagement

He will begin again at the 70th week juncture still pending Revelation [14:1-7] 

The ensuing period of the last 2000 years is primarily for Gentile inclusion

Once completed, the Lord will again carry out His purposes from Israel, the tribulation period, and His millennial kingdom upon the earth for 1000 years 

 

Edited September 13, 2017 by Daniel 11:36

[Sab]

Then it's  not 70 weeks. It becomes about 2000 weeks.

[BobRyan]

1 hour ago, BobRyan said:

Daniel 9 states that it is a 70 week timeline not a 69 week timeline.

 

All Bible timelines are contiguous -- they cannot be hacked,chopped,diced with gaps of undefined time inserted into them.

This is irrefutable.

Daniel 9 is a 70 week -- 490 year timeline.

²⁴ “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place

 

All Bible timelines are contiguous -- they cannot be hacked,chopped,diced with gaps of undefined time inserted into them.

This is irrefutable.

38 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

I don't think so .... the 69th week ended and the Lord ended His engagement

 

 

Nope. The 69th week brings us to 27 A.D. the Baptism of Christ

In the midst of that 70th week the Messiah is cut off - crucified

that is when He put an end to sacrifices and offerings according to Hebrews 10.

At the end of the 70th week - Stephen is stoned and Paul is anointed for ministry to the Gentiles

 

All Bible timelines are contiguous -- they cannot be hacked,chopped,diced with gaps of undefined time inserted into them.

This is irrefutable.