The Word of God (Savior or Scripture?)

[daughterofGrace]

28 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Agreed with that point, but there were later 'official' pronouncements I would not have agreed with when compared to Scripture, thus their 'officialness' comes into question...in my mind

Are you speaking of Marcion perhaps?  His canon left out any of the current New Testament books that seemed "too Jewish". 

[Happinessity]

On 5/1/2017 at 7:05 PM, Fidei Defensor said:

Thank you for sharing how Scripture was canonized in greater detail. You helped make my case, that I think the Apostles when writing that the Word of God judges your thoughts is really Jesus the Word (John 1:1-4) not the Holy Bible (which can't read my thoughts, such a notion is actually Gnostic).

I think so too. Doesn't James 4:12 make that agreement righteous according to the word? There is only one teacher and judge. He is able to save or destroy you. So who are you to judge your neighbor?

[Happinessity]

On 5/1/2017 at 7:05 PM, Fidei Defensor said:

Thank you for sharing how Scripture was canonized in greater detail. You helped make my case, that I think the Apostles when writing that the Word of God judges your thoughts is really Jesus the Word (John 1:1-4) not the Holy Bible (which can't read my thoughts, such a notion is actually Gnostic).

I think so too. Doesn't James 4:12 make that agreement righteous according to the word? There is only one teacher and judge. He is able to save or destroy you. So who are you to judge your neighbor?

[Fidei Defensor]

6 hours ago, Happinessity said:

I think so too. Doesn't James 4:12 make that agreement righteous according to the word? There is only one teacher and judge. He is able to save or destroy you. So who are you to judge your neighbor?

Well said, "So don't make judgments about anyone ahead of time--before the Lord returns. For he will bring our darkest secrets to light and will reveal our private motives. Then God will give to each one whatever praise is due." (1 Corinthians 4:5). While it is necessary to judge things in Church, "Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life," (1 Corinthians 6:3) and "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?" (1 Corinthians 5:12). Paul however is using judge in these two verses as to judge behavior, not the motives, attitudes, and thoughts of a person; we can't know those, only God does.
 

[Happinessity]

3 minutes ago, Fidei Defensor said:

Well said, "So don't make judgments about anyone ahead of time--before the Lord returns. For he will bring our darkest secrets to light and will reveal our private motives. Then God will give to each one whatever praise is due." (1 Corinthians 4:5). While it is necessary to judge things in Church, "Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life," (1 Corinthians 6:3) and "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?" (1 Corinthians 5:12). Paul however is using judge in these two verses as to judge behavior, not the motives, attitudes, and thoughts of a person; we can't know those, only God does.
 

Amen. 

Paul was quite wise about such things don't you find? 

But why do you judge your brother? Or also, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. For it is written,“As I live, says the Lord, every knee will bow to me,and every tongue will praise God.”So each one of us will give an account concerning himself. Therefore, let us no longer pass judgment on one another, but rather decide this: not to place a cause for stumbling or a temptation before a brother.

Romans 14:10-13 LEB

[Fidei Defensor]

3 minutes ago, Happinessity said:

Amen. 

Paul was quite wise about such things don't you find? 

But why do you judge your brother? Or also, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. For it is written,“As I live, says the Lord, every knee will bow to me,and every tongue will praise God.”So each one of us will give an account concerning himself. Therefore, let us no longer pass judgment on one another, but rather decide this: not to place a cause for stumbling or a temptation before a brother.

Romans 14:10-13 LEB

Amen. I think Paul if he used our vernacular would separate it into "judge" as "its necessary to judge those in church" as Jesus talking about "telling the tree by the fruit," (Matthew 7:15-20), i.e. fruit checking. We need to check the fruit (judge) those in church if we are going to have them operate in gift (office) of apostle, prophet, pastor, teacher, evangelist, elder (bishop), and deacon (Ephesians 4:11, 1 Timothy 3, Acts 6:3) in a public setting. While the other use of word judge, "don not judge a brother" would fall into "do not criticize and severely judge a person because you do not know their motives, past, and hurts," or "hurt people hurt people."