Kathy Griffin Under Secret Service Investigation

[PlanetChee]

Just now, wingnut- said:

 

In order for this to be considered a legitimate threat, one would have to believe.

 

a) that she could get anywhere near the President alone (which now would be absolutely impossible)

b) that if she did get near the President she could actually overpower him

c) that once she overpowered him, she could decapitate him

 

While I certainly don't support her message, it is clear to me she is not a legitimate threat to the President.

God bless

A personal opinion is fine. But Federal law is something other. And with her celebrity she can incite the act by implying through the effigy model that is 1. what she wants done. 2. to be done.  3. is deserved by Trump. 

 

[Guest shiloh357]

29 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

How many times has Kathy Griffin apologized? I can respect that.She knows what she did was wrong.

Apologizing doesn't cut it.   She broke the law.   If you rob a bank, and you come back and apologize and give the money back, you still go to prison.  You go to prison because you broke the law.  Apologizing doesn't 'un-break'  the law.  

She is not sorry.  Her apologies are meant as a desperate attempt at the advice of her lawyer to keep her out of prison.   She is trying to turn herself into the victim by claiming that the Trump family's criticism of her video, amounts to "bullying."   That is not the actions of a truly apologetic person.   She is not sorry for what she had done.  She is only apologizing because of the public backlash she got.

She is blaming Trump for her sponsors abandoning her.   She is trying to float a conspiracy theory that makes her the victim.  That is not what a person does who is really sorry.  No one but Griffin is responsible for her actions and she really deserves prison and I hope (probably in vain) that they throw the book at her.

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If the investigation comes out that there was some bad choices made by Jared Kushner and Donald Trump and they give as many apologies as Kathy Griffin has stated then I will extend some grace.

LOL, I doubt that.  If they are cleared,  a conspiracy theory will arise that somehow Jared and Donald Trump managed to skew the investigation and that will provide some fodder for the anti-Trumpers to avoid having to admit that they were wrong. 

The real question is:  Will you publicly apologize for prejudging Trump and Jared when you didn't have the evidence to support your false allegations?

[wingnut-]

2 minutes ago, PlanetChee said:

A personal opinion is fine. But Federal law is something other. And with her celebrity she can incite the act by implying through the effigy model that is 1. what she wants done. 2. to be done.  3. is deserved by Trump. 

 

 

At the end of the day the law will not be able to touch her, and all that will be accomplished is a waste of our tax dollars.

[Guest shiloh357]

3 minutes ago, wingnut- said:

 

In order for this to be considered a legitimate threat, one would have to believe.

 

a) that she could get anywhere near the President alone (which now would be absolutely impossible)

b) that if she did get near the President she could actually overpower him

c) that once she overpowered him, she could decapitate him

 

While I certainly don't support her message, it is clear to me she is not a legitimate threat to the President.

God bless

No, those are not the only requirements for this to be considered a legitimate threat.   If that were the case, she would not be under SS investigation now.

[Guest shiloh357]

47 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

I asked if Kathy Griffin made a statement and called for the death of Donald Trump? or was your statement speculation?

How would you interpret it if a neighbor created an effigy of you and burned it in the street or decapitated it and made sure everyone knew it was you that was the target?   How would respond to this if you or your children were on the receiving end of it?

[wingnut-]

1 minute ago, shiloh357 said:

No, those are not the only requirements for this to be considered a legitimate threat.   If that were the case, she would not be under SS investigation now.

 

She's only under investigation because of emotional reactions to what she did.  I get it, as a parent, if my 12 year old was hurt by something like this I would react no differently initially.  At the end of the day nothing from this investigation will hold up in court as it would violate her rights.

[Guest shiloh357]

1 minute ago, wingnut- said:

 

She's only under investigation because of emotional reactions to what she did.

And you know that because....?

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 I get it, as a parent, if my 12 year old was hurt by something like this I would react no differently initially.  At the end of the day nothing from this investigation will hold up in court as it would violate her rights.

No, it would not violate her rights.   No one has a right to do what she did. 

[PlanetChee]

Just now, wingnut- said:

 

At the end of the day the law will not be able to touch her, and all that will be accomplished is a waste of our tax dollars.

You really can't say that. This isn't a free speech issue. Death threats aren't covered under free speech articles in the Constitution. 
Don't believe it? Walk up to a cop and hold up the effigy of a cop's head with a police uniform hat on it.

This hatred that is shown by the rapidly declining in morals Left isn't surprising. They did everything in their power as a private entity, the DNC, to get the icon of criminality on the last presidential ballot.  Thank God eternally she lost! 

However, the hatred and depraved indifference for this immoral call for President Trump's decapitation by a D-list hate rhetoric woman who calls her embarrassing spectacle comedy, upholds personally and on stage everything that is condemned in scripture. And the hate filled rhetoric and spread of slander , gossip, and malice against our elected President and his family ,  is expected of one like that. One who is dead in her sin. But it is a violation of God's grace, the rebirth from that spirit in this world that compels that type behavior, and the scriptures the Father gave us that direct us to respect and obey and honor those authorities he put in power over us. 

 I wouldn't worry about Kathy Griffin being given grace, she's an atheist and not worthy of it. It is up to God to put her in his grace. Rather, I think the issue on display in the church is one that calls for Christians to remember their baptism and recall God's grace and therein cease spreading slander, false witness, expressing condescension, and promoting hatred and division among the Ekklesia for the express purpose of assailing President Trump, his family, and the United States of America. 

[PlanetChee]

9 minutes ago, wingnut- said:

 

She's only under investigation because of emotional reactions to what she did.  I get it, as a parent, if my 12 year old was hurt by something like this I would react no differently initially.  At the end of the day nothing from this investigation will hold up in court as it would violate her rights.

No, you apparently don't get it. Maybe the U.S. Code, Federal law, that has been posted about in threads like this will help you to get it. You don't have the right to make a death threat or imply death against the President of the United States of America. 

You should know that. 

 

[wingnut-]

10 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

And you know that because....?

 

I know that because of the emotional reaction being displayed on this thread.  I know that because I'm a parent and it would upset me as well.  I wouldn't care for a moment about someone depicting my head as being severed, but if my child saw it and was upset that would get a reaction from me.

 

12 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

No, it would not violate her rights.   No one has a right to do what she did.

 

The founders did not agree with you, nor do I.