missmuffet Posted June 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 9, 2017 10 hours ago, kenny2212 said: You are contradicting yourself missmuffet. You said the sheep and goat judgement determines who enters the millennium, meaning that only Christians would enter the millennium. There's no judgement before the millenium. This is what happens- satan is bound for 1000 years. The first resurrection happens. There will be both believing and non believing mortals that would enter the millennium. If there is no judgement before the 1000 year millennium then what is Matthew 25:31-36? I do not a agree with your view. Only believers will enter the 1000 year millennium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted June 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted June 9, 2017 11 hours ago, kenny2212 said: You are contradicting yourself missmuffet. You said the sheep and goat judgement determines who enters the millennium, meaning that only Christians would enter the millennium. There's no judgement before the millenium. This is what happens- satan is bound for 1000 years. The first resurrection happens. There will be both believing and non believing mortals that would enter the millennium. Â Hey kenny, Perhaps the confusion is coming from what occurs during the millenium, as in, people will be born during this period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted June 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 9, 2017 23 minutes ago, wingnut- said: Â Hey kenny, Perhaps the confusion is coming from what occurs during the millenium, as in, people will be born during this period. Yes, mortals entering the millennium will have the ability to marry and have children. Those children will go against God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted June 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, missmuffet said: Yes, mortals entering the millennium will have the ability to marry and have children. Those children will go against God. Â Yes, we see this the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted June 9, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted June 9, 2017 47 minutes ago, missmuffet said: If there is no judgement before the 1000 year millennium then what is Matthew 25:31-36? I do not a agree with your view. Only believers will enter the 1000 year millennium.  3 minutes ago, missmuffet said: Yes, mortals entering the millennium will have the ability to marry and have children. Those children will go against God.  1 minute ago, wingnut- said:  Yes, we see this the same way. This is the common problem, and common errors, that are always, or usually, or frequently, or sometimes associated with other things y'all have posted, denying the truth of YHWH, YHWH'S WORD, opposed to Scripture. When the 1000 year millennium starts, many people from many nations will be alive , not only "believers" as used in the context of this post. Likewise, children born, if they are raised right as they should be, will not go against God - this is true today also, although not all children raised right will stay with God. At the end of the millenium, satan will ("again") gather those who are deceived (which is NOT all of the children born during the millenium) to follow his lead against YHWH'S Anointed. Again, satan is easiliy defeated, along with all of his followers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted June 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, wingnut- said: Â Yes, we see this the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted June 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 9, 2017 Just now, simplejeff said:   This is the common problem, and common errors, that are always, or usually, or frequently, or sometimes associated with other things y'all have posted, denying the truth of YHWH, YHWH'S WORD, opposed to Scripture. When the 1000 year millennium starts, many people from many nations will be alive , not only "believers" as used in the context of this post. Likewise, children born, if they are raised right as they should be, will not go against God - this is true today also, although not all children raised right will stay with God. At the end of the millenium, satan will ("again") gather those who are deceived (which is NOT all of the children born during the millenium) to follow his lead against YHWH'S Anointed. Again, satan is easiliy defeated, along with all of his followers. Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted June 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, simplejeff said:   This is the common problem, and common errors, that are always, or usually, or frequently, or sometimes associated with other things y'all have posted, denying the truth of YHWH, YHWH'S WORD, opposed to Scripture. When the 1000 year millennium starts, many people from many nations will be alive , not only "believers" as used in the context of this post. Likewise, children born, if they are raised right as they should be, will not go against God - this is true today also, although not all children raised right will stay with God. At the end of the millenium, satan will ("again") gather those who are deceived (which is NOT all of the children born during the millenium) to follow his lead against YHWH'S Anointed. Again, satan is easiliy defeated, along with all of his followers.  I'm not sure how you can arrive at the conclusion that non-believers would survive God's wrath and judgement on them.  It would appear to me that scripture is very clear on this matter, so I respectfully disagree with your conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted June 9, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted June 9, 2017 YHWH is no respecter of persons, and it does not help a person's standing at all when they disagree with His Word if they do so either with or without respect. (it doesn't matter at all when someone disobeys Him, if they have so-called 'respect' or none at all). We are not to try to reach our own conclusions, ever, when YHWH states something - His Word is TRUTH, and there is no other 'personal' or otherwise interpretation to try to develop , nor to try to conclude - either one is sinful and disobedient. Many people's views of the current day, the past, and the future, are based on stuff completely contrary to His Word, and they don't even have a clue.  Completely fabricated delusions were introduced all along over the centuries, and recently, and they all contradict YHWH'S WORD, PURPOSE, PLAN and SALVATION in JESUS. i.e. not "just a little bit", but completely, notably because they started in error, not relying on YHWH, not trusting YHWH, and they continue more and more in error, without correction, for whatever reason. (so YHWH gives them over to actually and fully believe their delusions/ false teachings/ false directions.) . This is a great and prevalent wickedness all over the earth, for many centuries past, and today, and tomorrow, as long as Yeshua delays coming. Quote   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted June 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, simplejeff said: YHWH is no respecter of persons, and it does not help a person's standing at all when they disagree with His Word if they do so either with or without respect. (it doesn't matter at all when someone disobeys Him, if they have so-called 'respect' or none at all). We are not to try to reach our own conclusions, ever, when YHWH states something - His Word is TRUTH, and there is no other 'personal' or otherwise interpretation to try to develop , nor to try to conclude - either one is sinful and disobedient. Many people's views of the current day, the past, and the future, are based on stuff completely contrary to His Word, and they don't even have a clue.  Completely fabricated delusions were introduced all along over the centuries, and recently, and they all contradict YHWH'S WORD, PURPOSE, PLAN and SALVATION in JESUS. i.e. not "just a little bit", but completely, notably because they started in error, not relying on YHWH, not trusting YHWH, and they continue more and more in error, without correction, for whatever reason. (so YHWH gives them over to actually and fully believe their delusions/ false teachings/ false directions.) . This is a great and prevalent wickedness all over the earth, for many centuries past, and today, and tomorrow, as long as Yeshua delays coming.   Nice lecture, but you haven't offered one iota of scripture to support your claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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