Hawaii just became the first US state to pass a bill supporting basic income

[Guest shiloh357]

22 minutes ago, LadyKay said:

That is all fine and well but what if there are no paying jobs. Or maybe too many people and not enough jobs? Maybe not as many tourist  are going to Hawaii ? In other words, before I go off on a rant about people being on welfare I want to know more about what is going on in Hawaii. I'm going to go google stuff see what more I can find out on this. 

Most of the time there are paying jobs and plenty of them.  More often than not in this country, the problem is that there are too many people used to living off of the government and don't want to work.   I know of 2nd and 3rd generation welfare recipients who learned how to game the system from their parents and grandparents.

And if, just for the sake of argument, there are not enough jobs to around, then with what are you going to pay for everyone else to have a basic, living income?   Where is the tax revenue going to come from?   If there are not enough jobs, then there won't be enough people pay the taxes needed to fund everyone else without a job AND still have enough revenue left over to run the state.

This is a bad idea.  It is a socialist idea and it just won't work.

[simplejeff]

3 minutes ago, LadyKay said:

This was just a fast search as I am sure there is more to the story. But many of your reactions to this  makes me wonder why Christians are so quick to judge people on welfare and complain about them taking your money. All I wanted was more info as to the reason why this was going on, and already many here are finding disagreement with me.   I will look into this more when I have more time. For now I remain neutral on the topic. 

No amount of researching what the states and countries are doing is likely to reveal the beast system behind it.

 

Who said anything about complaining about providing people with necessities ?

 

Just realize the beast system is not godly, right, or righteous - not Christian in any sense of God's Word at all....

it is all more like Egypt/  Babylon/  with the enemy "in charge", as YHWH permits for now.... as YHWH says in His Word.

 

Only a few churches are doing what YHWH says to do,  training disciples and living the Way of Jesus, as Jesus trained all His disciples to do.

[Guest shiloh357]

4 minutes ago, LadyKay said:

Okay after a very  fast google search as I am pressed for time because it is laundry/housework day for me. It seem many of the jobs in Hawaii are becoming  automated. Leaving people unable to be employed. This was just a fast search as I am sure there is more to the story. But many of your reactions to this  makes me wonder why Christians are so quick to judge people on welfare and complain about them taking your money. All I wanted was more info as to the reason why this was going on, and already many here are finding disagreement with me.   I will look into this more when I have more time. For now I remain neutral on the topic. 

The reason we are "judging" some people on Welfare is because they are able-bodied and able to find work.  There is work out there.  In my town, they can find jobs for people suffering from things like Down's Syndrome and those suffer from mental and physical handicaps.  They want to work and they can find work.   If a disabled person can find a job, then able-bodied people can find work.   Not everything can be automated, and not every company can afford automation.

Right now, anyone wanting to learn a skill can learn it.  There are all kinds of jobs out there, millions of jobs that require no college degree that are not getting filled.   And this is true all across the country.  There is work to be found, if people want to get off their lazy rear end and look for the jobs.  They may be jobs where you have to get up early and sweat through your shirt, but there are jobs to be hand and many of them will offer on-the-job-training.   No  college degree required.

Also, this:

https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/hr-topics/talent-acquisition/pages/dirty-jobs-mike-rowe-cte-skilled-trades.aspx

[LadyKay]

Boy I just go everyone going!  

Well carry on. I have to go make tacos for supper. 

[The_Patriot21]

5 hours ago, Running Gator said:

It is no more socialism than welfare or food stamps or Medicare. 

I didn't say it was more so...I also never said those wernt socialism. I've never been a fan of government run programs such as those. Those have rose up, because u unfortunately the church has failed in taking care of the needy, and allowed the government to step in. 

[simplejeff]

19 minutes ago, LadyKay said:

Boy I just go everyone going!  

Well carry on. I have to go make tacos for supper. 

What did you expect posting in a thread that describes government/ actions/ in line with the world system ?

[Running Gator]

2 hours ago, Yowm said:

There is to be no discrimination based on nationality of any percentage.

That is not true at all.  People get perks/benefits for being more than a certain percentage of native American.   

[LadyKay]

It has come to my attention that I was out of line with a few things that I said. I think it was the Holy Spirit that brought it to my attention. So I apologize. 

With that said  I am interesting in this topic and I do wish to seek out more info. Thank you for your understanding and God Bless. 

[Running Gator]

3 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Laws and Welfare Reform Overview

A variety of Federal nondiscrimination laws require that Federally assisted programs be administered in a manner that does not discriminate or have the effect of discriminating on the basis of race, color, national origin, disability, sex, age, religion or political belief.

The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (hereafter referred to as PRWORA) specifically incorporates Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, as amended (Title VI), Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, as amended (Section 504), the Age Discrimination Act of 1975, and the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA). Title VI, Section 504 and the Age Discrimination Act, along with Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, as amended (Title IX), continue to apply to States and other public and private entities that receive Federal financial assistance and that provide funds, training, food stamps, and other services and benefits under the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) provisions of the PRWORA.

https://www.hhs.gov/civil-rights/for-individuals/special-topics/needy-families/laws-welfare-reform-overview/index.html

 

 Correct you cannot discriminate based upon those attributes, but you can reward people based upon those attributes.  

[Omegaman 3.0]

Just now, Running Gator said:

Correct you cannot discriminate based upon those attributes, but you can reward people based upon those attributes.

I am not sure how rewarding some and not others based on attributes, is NOT discrimination. Let's, give a 25% tax credit to all who are anything but black. That would not be discrimination?