Faith without works is Dead

[frienduff thaylorde]

Jesus did command it.     He did.

This is why  , this was the reason why I WAS SO LED TO DO IT.

I guess the Spirit never let me not do it.   I never saw it as works,  just a strong desire to do it.

The Spirit for years kept unctioning me to do it.    It was never as earning , it was more as fulfilling our Lords commands.

I had forgotten that JESUS had actually said that.   But on the inside the SPIRIT must have been the ONE urging me so to do it

I never seen this so clearly to just minutes ago.   IT WAS CHRIST compelling me to get the water baptism.   IT was .

Not so i could earn righteousness, but that by his spirit simply fulfill righteousness.

I don't know if that makes any sense to others.  BUT IS IT NOT ONLY BY HIS SPIRIT we can walk righteously.  YES.

For years i was unctioned to do it.   Till one day last sept first , I did,  and i promise i was filled with such joy.  I remember that day.

Much like i remember the day about ten years earlier on sept thirteenth when i had been baptized by the holy ghost.

JESUS always said this...................HE who loves ME , KEEPS my commandments.   The SPIRIT led me to do it, i do love JESUS sayings.

JESUS did say GO ye into the world Baptizing them in the name of the Father , son and Holy ghost.

And It must have been a literal command.  Because Even when the gentiles who had spoken in tongues , Peter said IMMEDIATELY after this

IS their \WATER here that these may be baptized.   Even the EUNACH saw water.  and said LOOK here is WATER what does hinder me to be baptized.

THIS must have been, it was JESUS own command.   It was.   Its the same as Give to the poor.  I don't give to the poor because that saves me, i DO IT

BECAUES I LOVE CHRIST AND HIS SAYINGS.    Yet what happens if we keep not his commandments..............HE says he who HATES ME keeps not my commandments.

He even said GO ye into all the world TEACHING them to OBSERVE.............ALL not SOME things ALL THINGS i have told you.

My goodness, WE SHOULD be water baptized.    JESUS said to do it.    This just hit me like a wake up call.

But i know without a doubt,   its not what saved us, anymore than doing any good works did.  But heavens on high,  JESUS DID SAY TO DO THIS.

THAT to me means what it did to the early church.  DO IT.  

[Reinitin]

1 hour ago, Cobalt1959 said:

The bolded statements are what get you in trouble.  You are making assumptions about people you cannot logically make, and those statements have no business being there if all you really want to do is discuss the issue.

You completely misunderstand the crux of the problem.  The problem is not baptism itself.  I was baptized when I was 10 years old.  The problem is that you attempt to tie an ordinance to salvation.  Jesus gave us two ordinances. Baptism and The Lord's Supper.  One, baptism, is, in essence a "mark," a ceremony performed to set a Christian apart from secular society.  The Lord's Supper is performed to remember Christ's death and resurrection.  Neither of them are tied to our salvation in any way.  Jesus told us to be baptized, but nowhere can you find scripture that says baptism has any ties to our salvation.

Here is my argument We do not know the why. We know Jesus was baptised as he told John "to fullfill righteousness" He had his diciples baptise, Paul baptised we can't change the gospel truth and teach people "you do not have to be baptised" or just stop telling people it's part of the gospel message. The scriptures used to remove the baptism message from the gospel create contradictions in the Word. So considering we do not know the eternal ramifications of changing the gospel .We should proceed with caution when anyone comes teaching us another gospel then the apostals recieved. People that just do not know are under a different standard then those who are teaching. So exspecially if your condemning people you better check your bible completely to make sure. Study and check everything someones teaching with all scripture before you start parroting it. No where in the bible does it say "teach your brother there is no need for baptism or baptism will become obsolete so just stop teaching it.

Edited September 18, 2017 by Reinitin

[frienduff thaylorde]

Oh no.   its like any other thing.   Why would a spirit come and try and get us NOT to be water baptized.  

its the same as a spirit coming and trying to justify Adultery.    Who wants us to disobey Christ.  WHO.

I have known this for so long.  WHY on earth are we arguing over water baptism.   Just do it.   No work saved us

not doing good to the poor, not getting water baptized, no,   BUT It they are JESUS commands.  THE SPIRIT leads us to KEEP his sayings.

Our good works do not save us.  But if we have not the good works, THEN HOW can JESUS be in us , that would mean we don't KNOW HIM.

God poured HIS LOVE into my heart.  I KNOW this is why i kept getting unctioned also to get water baptized.   JESUS had said it.

That why the reason the SPIRIT led me to do it.  Even if i had forgotten it.   He never let me go.   But it and any other thing good i have done

i know is not what saved me, it was Christ in me  fulfilling righteousness in me.   Teaching me to walk righteously.  

[Wayne222]

The Lord's supper is more then a symbol. The Lord is there in the elements. Paul said to the Corinthian don't you desern the Lord's body? 

2 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said:

Please point me to anywhere where  I have said we need to stop telling people to be baptized.  My premise is simple, and you keep overlooking it:

Baptism is not a salvation issue.  Baptism is not tied to salvation at all.   One should be baptized when they get saved but whether they are baptized or not has nothing to do with their salvational state.

You said should as if that was a option.  It's a commandment that Jesus told the disciples. You have to there no if or ands. There is a spiritual meaning to it. And it's the visible sign. Let's keep his commandments.

[Reinitin]

2 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said:

Please point me to anywhere where  I have said we need to stop telling people to be baptized.  My premise is simple, and you keep overlooking it:

Baptism is not a salvation issue.  Baptism is not tied to salvation at all.   One should be baptized when they get saved but whether they are baptized or not has nothing to do with their salvational state.

the person i was saying it to is saying it and i think your grabbing stuff i say to them. so i explain to you why my heart can never say  "you dont have to be baptised. Just because i will never ever teach anything that would contradict the Lord and the apostals does not mean i believe some doctrin of regeneration or whatever heretic, condemned doctrin lable that other person is trying to lable me with.  

[frienduff thaylorde]

2 minutes ago, Wayne222 said:

The Lord's supper is more then a symbol. The Lord is there in the elements. Paul said to the Corinthian don't you desern the Lord's body? 

You said should as if that was a option.  It's a commandment that Jesus told the disciples. You have to there no if or ands. There is a spiritual meaning to it. And it's the visible sign. Let's keep his commandments.

Whatever JESUS said to do we should do it with JOY.   and the communion is one thing .

For where two or more are gathered in my name THEIR HE IS in our midst.   but,   he aint the actual wine or actual bread.  ITS a representation.

We should do it, and do it often in remembrance of Him.   

[frienduff thaylorde]

Whatever JESUS said to do , WE do and we stir one another up to do it .    This is not earning it as some have been led to believe .

ITS LIVING IT.   But he who hates me , KEEPS not my commandments.   HE who loves me KEEPS my commandments and Me and MY Father will manifest ourselves unto him.

i think a lot of people get real confused about works vesus living .     IFwe have HIS SPIRIT then HIS SPIRIT HAS us , unctions us to DO

if we try doing to earn salvation , WE DOOMED.    But if we keep not HIS COMMANDMENTS.  HE WILL TELL US , I NEVER KNEW YOU.

Because the truth is, IF HE IS TRULY IN US........we SIMPLY DO by HIS grace the good works HE said to do.  And its a JOY TO DO IT.

LIVE IT by the SPIRIT .   we are servants to whom we obey.   whether its the flesh which end is death

or Obediance by the SPIRIT unto righteousness.   THE SPIRIT unctions us to BE HOLY , to walk as DID OUR LORD, but beware the flesh its contrary

HEED IT NOT , HEED ONLY THE SPIRIT and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.   

[Reinitin]

7 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Whatever JESUS said to do we should do it with JOY.   and the communion is one thing .

For where two or more are gathered in my name THEIR HE IS in our midst.   but,   he aint the actual wine or actual bread.  ITS a representation.

We should do it, and do it often in remembrance of Him.   

amen

[Wayne222]

2 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said:

Explain to me how it has any effect on our salvation.  If by "commanded" above you mean a must-have for salvation you are teaching a doctrine of salvation by works.

   If you disobey his commandment without repentance then how can you be saved. John said this is God's will that you keep his commandment and believe in his son's name. So if you feel free to not follow that are you saved. No not at all. I don't believe in works saving anybody. But who is your master Jesus or sin ?

[Reinitin]

6 minutes ago, Yowm said:

I guess we need to add the word 'baptism' to each of the following passages.

because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
(Rom 10:9)
Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
(Act 16:30-31)
Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
(1Co 15:1-4)
 

 

 

 

Paul preached the gospel to 2 households in acts 16 we have a witness they were baptised. 

Edited September 19, 2017 by Reinitin