Prayer in Louisiana school

[Guest Bro David™]

I am from Louisiana and I am glad they did that and if they need money to pay the fines then pass the bucket around. They will never and I mean never stop me from praying where ever I so please to do so. Also I don't believe the ACLU will get very far with these crazy laws in the south. Our schools are full of praying teachers and praying kids and we plan on keeping it that way. Want a war thats a good way to start one. Tell a southern they can't pray and let the fire works began. Praise god for god fearing people who don't mind fighting when there's something to fight about.

[Guest Jasmine_OTF]

Again, I am sure glad I homeschool.

[nebula]

Christ said to pray in private, not in public, and school prayer sure seems pretty public to me.

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Well, it would help if you read Scripture correctly, in context.

Jesus was rebuking those who made a spectacle out of prayer, showing off their spirituality by praying loudly in public.

He was not rebuking group prayer.

[Gerioke]

I remember when I was in grades 1 and 2. Every day we started with a bible story. the following year they didn't start with the bible story and I missed it very much. I thought it had something to do with the new testament. The old testament had become obsolete and the new testament ha d just come out

Thankfully after not having bible readings for so many years , I still managed to find my way back by the grace of God. Not having God in my family as I was growing up slowed me down. I'm just thankful that those first couple of years fed me enought o keep the yearning somewhere deep in my soul

[Gerioke]

I remember getting a gideons bible in 68 or 69. Somebody came by the school and paid the class a visit. I guess it was only the prayer that was removed here.

I tried out for the church choir when I was 11 or so and got the boot because I was momotone.

Got booted out of theatre arts when I was in highschool because I wasn't the right material.

Made aliving from singing, playing and entertainment since 1981.

I know it's a little off topic but I just had to reflect on the irony of it all.

Back to our regularily scheduled topic

[WillingToDie]

Jesus was rebuking those who made a spectacle out of prayer, showing off their spirituality by praying loudly in public.

Well, to me, praying out loud in public outside a church or church-like group is like saying "Lookit me, I'm praying!". By praying out loud in public, you draw attention to yourself. But that's just me.

[other one]

question?????? If those who were praying were not from our flock and were praying to Lucifer.... how would we be responding to all this.

I am not sure if the ACLU are fighting prayer as much as forcing others to pray with us. I don't think it is against the law to have a moment of silence so everyone can pray to whomever they want, but as much as I hate it, I don't have the constitutional right to force a wiccan or Luciferin to listen to us pray to/through Jesus. If we are going to be a country of law as the founding fathers set up we must give others the same opportunity as we have.

It goes against my grain so to speak, but if I am free to worship the Lord they must be free to worship theirs. It is the freedom that our God gave us all and we have no right to remove that freedom from them.

btw, here in Oklahoma"s public schools it is not lawful to require anyone to recite the Pledge. Even in my wife's kindergarten class there are those who will not. Some for religous reasons, some because they are Indian and don't consider the USA as ligitiment. THere are some in Texas that have a problem with it for they would have Texas as a separate country if they had their way.

As for me, I don't have a problem with it, for I don't see it as putting the country over God. I keep reading in these threads that we are to give allegiance to the government that God put over us, but I guess we are not to voice that allegiance.

I made the mistake of taking the military oath of induction in the sixties and swore that I would defend the constitution even with my life, so the pledge to me is noth much of anything in comparison........

I am not sure how long I will be held to that pledge for the constitution is changing for the worse if some in this country get their way.

Sam

[Guest charlie]

I have to agree with Other One here; boy I've done a 180 on this subject as well as a few others in the past few years.

LRS, maybe they could say a "Hail Mary" over the loudspeaker next time, or chant a wiccan spell or something. Would you object to that?

You know, I don't think most people are really offended by Christianity; I think they're offended by people who have overbearing attitudes and try to shove it down their throats. That's the "feeling" I've picked up over the years and it doesn't always apply to non-Christians. I've known many Christians who get boiling mad when the office zealot tries to "force" their particular brand of religious zealotry on their co-workers. I think a lot of what's going on with public displays of religion boils down to a clash of fanatics - fanatic atheists and fanatic religionists.

Edited April 13, 2005 by charlie

[nebula]

Well, to me, praying out loud in public outside a church or church-like group is like saying "Lookit me, I'm praying!". By praying out loud in public, you draw attention to yourself. But that's just me.

Well, arsonist -

First of all, do I need to point out to you all the Scriptures in both New and Old Testaments where men of God prayed in public?

Second - if you or anyone else ever attacks the invocation given at the NASCAR races, prapare for battle!

Third, it's frustating to me to hear about "public shows" of spirituality automatically being assumed to be for self-show.

I'm a big-time introvert, and there are times I needed to fall on me knees on the spot for whatever reason but failed to because of fear of making a public spectacle.

This is to my shame, and the Holy Spirit has been after me on this.

"Fear of man is a snare."

We shouldn't hide our lights under bushels if it is the light of the Lord.

It's about the condition of the heart - not where or when you pray.

[WillingToDie]

First of all, do I need to point out to you all the Scriptures in both New and Old Testaments where men of God prayed in public?

Good point.

Second - if you or anyone else ever attacks the invocation given at the NASCAR races, prapare for battle! emot-drums.gif

Third, it's frustating to me to hear about "public shows" of spirituality automatically being assumed to be for self-show.

I'm a big-time introvert, and there are times I needed to fall on me knees on the spot for whatever reason but failed to because of fear of making a public spectacle.

This is to my shame, and the Holy Spirit has been after me on this.

"Fear of man is a snare."

We shouldn't hide our lights under bushels if it is the light of the Lord.

It's about the condition of the heart - not where or when you pray.

I agree, but before someone makes a "public spectacle" they should stop and ask "Am I doing this because I want people to see me do this, or is it because I feel I really need to do this.

However, I get the feelng that most of these prayers are for the wrong reasons, but it's hard for me to say.

A thought just occured to me. Whether or not your intention was to make people say "Wow, that guy's pretty pious", if they still say that, then that is a reward. Christ said "Do not do as the hypocrites do" not "Don't be a hypocrite and do this". Not a very concrete thought yet, but still something I felt I shoud throw out there.