convert or disciple?

[Reinitin]

Just now, Robert William said:

Nobody can do anything for salvation, it's a free gift that is not deserved. Yes, I do know that I'm one of the predestined elect.

how do you know?

[Robert William]

Just now, Reinitin said:

how do you know?

Rom_8:16  The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
Rom_9:1  I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit—

I also know by my born-again experience when my family and friends thought I flipped my lid because of the drastic transformation.

[Reinitin]

4 hours ago, Yowm said:

Matthew 16:15-17 KJVS
[15] He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? [16] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. [17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

It takes a work of God to open ones eyes to the truth of Jesus.

 

People can parrot things they hear from their lips and convert to a religious belief and still have their heart far for God.

[Robert William]

Just now, Reinitin said:

People can parrot things they hear from their lips and convert to a religious belief and still have their heart far for God.

True for many, they are Lord Lord types.

[OneLight]

22 minutes ago, Robert William said:

You say Jesus Atoned and is the propitiation for all humans. OneLight, you can't possibly believe that Jesus did the following for all humans.

This means the turning away of wrath by an offering. It is similar to expiation, but expiation does not carry the nuances involving wrath. For the Christian, the propitiation was the shed blood of Jesus on the cross. It turned away the wrath of God so that He could pass "over the sins previously committed," (Rom. 3:25). It was the Father who sent the Son to be the propitiation (1 John 4:10) for all (1 John 2:2).

• "Propitiation properly signifies the removal of wrath by the offering of a gift," (The New Bible Dictionary).
• "Propitiation signifies the turning away of wrath by an offering," (Baker's Dictionary of Theology,  p. 424).
• The act of appeasing the wrath and conciliating the favor of an offended person, (dictionary.com). 
• "The act of appeasing the wrath," (Webster's dictionary, 1828). 

You keep saying "You say Jesus Atoned and is the propitiation for all humans.", so I challenge you to show me where I said this.

I suggest you take me at my word.  I already said what I meant.  There is no need for you to try and reword what I said or assume it meant something else.  It was very clear and to the point.

Yes, as I pointed out, and will point out again:

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.  For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Tell us why you do not believe His word when it tells us that "God so loved the whole world".  You claim God did not send Jesus for all humans.  Prove it.

[Robert William]

Just now, OneLight said:

You keep saying "You say Jesus Atoned and is the propitiation for all humans.", so I challenge you to show me where I said this.

I suggest you take me at my word.  I already said what I meant.  There is no need for you to try and reword what I said or assume it meant something else.  It was very clear and to the point.

Yes, as I pointed out, and will point out again:

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.  For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Tell us why you do not believe His word when it tells us that "God so loved the whole world".  You claim God did not send Jesus for all humans.  Prove it.

That's easy, scripture does not teach universal salvation.

[OneLight]

1 minute ago, Robert William said:

That's easy, scripture does not teach universal salvation.

There is nothing in John 3:16-17 that points to universal salvation.  Why do you keep implying that it does?

 

[Reinitin]

Just now, Robert William said:

Rom_8:16  The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
Rom_9:1  I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit—

I also know by my born-again experience when my family and friends thought I flipped my lid because of the drastic transformation.

hmmm, so know you can pass judgment on people? who is in Christ and who is out of Christ? and know false wittness of salvation and true witness apart?  

im pretty sure our testimony is suppose to be of Christ not 5 spiritual facts from the summary of dort when we are saved. 

[Robert William]

2 minutes ago, Reinitin said:

hmmm, so know you can pass judgment on people? who is in Christ and who is out of Christ? and know false wittness of salvation and true witness apart?  

im pretty sure our testimony is suppose to be of Christ not 5 spiritual facts from the summary of dort when we are saved. 

Jesus tells Christians to judge righteous judgment, He also says you shall know them by their fruit, (Fruit of the Spirit)

[Reinitin]

Just now, Robert William said:

Jesus tells Christians to judge righteous judgment, He also says you shall know them by their fruit, (Fruit of the Spirit)

fruit tests. awe yes. in your righteous judgement would beheading someone for disagreeing with you be good fruit or rotten fruit? Righteous Judgment or God complex?