The bandaid flu shot

[Dennis1209]

On 10/11/2017 at 9:13 PM, Wayne222 said:

Every time I get the flu shot my health goes down. The years I don't get it I get less sick. One year two days after I got the shot I threw up for ten hours straight.  I thought I was going to die. I know it works but for me it hurts.

I believe the last flu shot I got was 1976 or 1977 when an epidemic of "Swine Flu" was to overtake the world, and never arrived. Before or since, I was never so sick with the flu starting mere hours after I received the injection. Fortunately by the next morning all the symptoms were gone.

I have a mixed attitude about whether our children should be forced to be vaccinated against disease. I seem to recall the mortality rate of some of these vaccinations is close to 1%, so what if your child is in that category? As parents, when do we learn when our children are allergic to eggs or anything else? 

On a side note... The few diseases we thought were globally eradicated through vaccination are making a come back. And the treatments and vaccines that previously fought them are not working this time. Probably because germs and viruses constantly mutate to survive? I know these things because I've watched actors play doctors on TV addressing these issues. 

[ayin jade]

8 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

Hi there. Yes they are supposed to ask you if you have egg allergies and whatever the culture for the shots is grown in. Some people die due to this step not being enforced.
For those who think it is purely synthetic, well, not exactly!
I have to take a shot from time to time I call 'Hamster Juice'. Why? Because in China, where it is made, they use Hamster ovaries to produce the agent for synthesizing what is required for the injection.
So after the jab, I make funny noises and twitch my nose to make the nurses crack a smile.

I dont know where you are from, but the flu vaccines used in the united states are not made in china. Vaccines used in the us must be made under careful guidelines, and china doesnt do that. The flu vaccines in the us are made as listed below: 

FluMist (Influenza) - MedImmune Vaccines, Inc. in Gaithersburg, Maryland, and Wyeth in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Fluzone (Influenza) - Sanofi Pasteur, Inc. in Swiftwater, Pennsylvania

Other vaccines used in the us are made as listed below:

Rotarix, the rotavirus vaccine that was approved in April 2008 by the FDA, is manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium.

ctHIB (Hib) - Sanofi Pasteur SA in Lyon, France

Adacel (Tdap) - Sanofi Pasteur Limited in Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Bexsero (Meningococcal B)- Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics S.r.l., Bellaria-Rosia 53018, Sovicille (SI), Italy

Boostrix (Tdap) - GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium and Wavre, Belgium

Daptacel (DTaP) - Sanofi Pasteur Limited in Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Energix-B (Hepatitis B) - GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium

Gardasil (HPV) - Merck & Co., Inc., West Point, PA.

Havrix (Hepatitis A) - GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium

Infanrix (DTaP) - GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals, but manufactured by Chiron-Behring GmbH & Co. in Marburg, Germany

IPOL (IPV) - Sanofi Pasteur SA in Lyon, France

Menactra (Meningococcal) - Sanofi Pasteur, Inc. in Swiftwater, Pennsylvania

Pediarix (DTap, IPV, Hepatitis B) - GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium

PedvaxHIB (Hib) - Merck & Co., Inc., in West Point, Pennsylvania

Prevnar (Pneumococcal) - Lederle Laboratories in Sanford, North Carolina and Pearl River, New York

[ayin jade]

7 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I believe the last flu shot I got was 1976 or 1977 when an epidemic of "Swine Flu" was to overtake the world, and never arrived. Before or since, I was never so sick with the flu starting mere hours after I received the injection. Fortunately by the next morning all the symptoms were gone.

I have a mixed attitude about whether our children should be forced to be vaccinated against disease. I seem to recall the mortality rate of some of these vaccinations is close to 1%, so what if your child is in that category? As parents, when do we learn when our children are allergic to eggs or anything else? 

On a side note... The few diseases we thought were globally eradicated through vaccination are making a come back. And the treatments and vaccines that previously fought them are not working this time. Probably because germs and viruses constantly mutate to survive? I know these things because I've watched actors play doctors on TV addressing these issues. 

Full of misinformation. 

The disease eradicated through vaccination is smallpox. It has not returned. 

Other diseases are making a comeback because of lack of vaccination, especially when those unvaccinated in the us are exposed to disease brought in by folks from outside the us. 

Over 36,000 people die in the us every year from the flu.

Look up the figures on polio prior to vaccination. Is this what you want for your kids? 

 

[missmuffet]

8 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

I dont know where you are from, but the flu vaccines used in the united states are not made in china. Vaccines used in the us must be made under careful guidelines, and china doesnt do that. The flu vaccines in the us are made as listed below: 

FluMist (Influenza) - MedImmune Vaccines, Inc. in Gaithersburg, Maryland, and Wyeth in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Fluzone (Influenza) - Sanofi Pasteur, Inc. in Swiftwater, Pennsylvania

Other vaccines used in the us are made as listed below:

Rotarix, the rotavirus vaccine that was approved in April 2008 by the FDA, is manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium.

ctHIB (Hib) - Sanofi Pasteur SA in Lyon, France

Adacel (Tdap) - Sanofi Pasteur Limited in Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Bexsero (Meningococcal B)- Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics S.r.l., Bellaria-Rosia 53018, Sovicille (SI), Italy

Boostrix (Tdap) - GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium and Wavre, Belgium

Daptacel (DTaP) - Sanofi Pasteur Limited in Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Energix-B (Hepatitis B) - GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium

Gardasil (HPV) - Merck & Co., Inc., West Point, PA.

Havrix (Hepatitis A) - GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium

Infanrix (DTaP) - GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals, but manufactured by Chiron-Behring GmbH & Co. in Marburg, Germany

IPOL (IPV) - Sanofi Pasteur SA in Lyon, France

Menactra (Meningococcal) - Sanofi Pasteur, Inc. in Swiftwater, Pennsylvania

Pediarix (DTap, IPV, Hepatitis B) - GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium

PedvaxHIB (Hib) - Merck & Co., Inc., in West Point, Pennsylvania

Prevnar (Pneumococcal) - Lederle Laboratories in Sanford, North Carolina and Pearl River, New York

Yes, good information which you are well informed because you are a pharmacist. It makes me sad to think of the millions who died in the history of our world because of the flu. Now there is a vaccine which will keep a person healthy during the flu season and they deny it.

[Justin Adams]

46 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

The flu vaccines in the us are made as listed below: 

"Vaccines used in the us must be made under careful guidelines, and china doesnt do that" SEE BELOW.

They may well be for flu... but read the following please.

In 1992, the FDA approved Factor VIII produced using transgenic Chinese hamster ovary cells, the first such blood clotting factor produced using recombinant DNA technology to be approved.

Please read what I said. I have to take a shot from time to time I call 'Hamster Juice'. Why? Because in China, where it is made, they use Hamster ovaries to produce the agent for synthesizing what is required for the injection.
So after the jab, I make funny noises and twitch my nose to make the nurses crack a smile.

Additionally, the person that has a repeated bad reaction to a flu shot should be tested for Guillain-Barré Syndrome since flu vaccine, live or otherwise can attack immune-deficiency weakened cells.

[missmuffet]

5 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

"Vaccines used in the us must be made under careful guidelines, and china doesnt do that" SEE BELOW.

They may well be for flu... but read the following please.

In 1992, the FDA approved Factor VIII produced using transgenic Chinese hamster ovary cells, the first such blood clotting factor produced using recombinant DNA technology to be approved.

Please read what I said. I have to take a shot from time to time I call 'Hamster Juice'. Why? Because in China, where it is made, they use Hamster ovaries to produce the agent for synthesizing what is required for the injection.
So after the jab, I make funny noises and twitch my nose to make the nurses crack a smile.

Additionally, the person that has a repeated bad reaction to a flu shot should be tested for Guillain-Barré Syndrome since flu vaccine, live or otherwise can attack immune-deficiency weakened cells.

That is the truth that anyone who has had Guillain-Barre should not get a flu shot. Everyone should receive a form to fill out before they get a flu shot with questions and answers. Some should not get the shot but most will be ok for the vaccination. Your previous comments should be put in the Conspiracy Theory forum. Not the truth.

[Justin Adams]

17 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

That is the truth that anyone who has had Guillain-Barre should not get a flu shot. Everyone should receive a form to fill out before they get a flu shot with questions and answers. Some should not get the shot but most will be ok for the vaccination. Your previous comments should be put in the Conspiracy Theory forum. Not the truth.

Thank you. My statement is fact not Conspiracy. Get your PDR and look it up. But along with my flu shot I also have on occasion to take DDAVP, AMACAR, or the Factor VIII coagulent. Manufactured in much the same way as Factor IX. Human blood has been suspect since HIV came on the scene. The synthesis is not quite as potent but does the job.
The Chinese hamster ovary cells that were stably transfected produced significant quantities of Factor IX, which was shown to have substantial coagulant properties, though of a lesser degree than Factor IX produced from human blood.

[Justin Adams]

1 hour ago, missmuffet said:

I dont know where you are from

To answer this question seems a reasonable thing to do:

I am British born and have US citizenship. The US has far less numerically per 1000 of persons with my particular blood disorder. I could not get blood work done in the US where I lived recently since even the University did not have a resident Hematologist. I therefore went to the UK to get treatment because the UK's population has a higher incidence of this disorder and at that time, 15 months ago, were able to treat me. Dr David Keeling BSc MD FRCP FRCPath. Churchill, OX, UK.

Thanks for your information and interest.

[missmuffet]

2 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

To answer this question seems a reasonable thing to do:

I am British born and have US citizenship. The US has far less numerically per 1000 of persons with my particular blood disorder. I could not get blood work done in the US where I lived recently since even the University did not have a resident Hematologist. I therefore went to the UK to get treatment because the UK's population has a higher incidence of this disorder and at that time, 15 months ago, were able to treat me. Dr David Keeling BSc MD FRCP FRCPath. Churchill, OX, UK.

Thanks for your information and interest.

I did not post " I do not know where you are from" ayin jade posted that.

[Aimes]

I get the flu shot every year, usually still catch the flu though but it seems to be less intense. 

The one year I didn't get it, I caught the flu and was stuck in bed for 4 days.

 

Vaccines are a touchy subject for me so I didn't read the entire thread - I will simply say that if my mother had been vaccinated (not talking the flu vaccine here though) she would still be alive today. So count me in the "pro-vaccine" crowd.