Eternal Salvation?

[enoob57]

7 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

That is a tragic misuse of Scripture and in the case of John Piper it is irresponsible and inexcusable.

but it's your favorite method ... the Christmas tree lights of Scripture  : oh! here's a verse that says (out of context) what I want it to say...

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, enoob57 said:

but it's your favorite method ...

my favorite method to criticize, LOL

[enoob57]

1 minute ago, shiloh357 said:

my favorite method to criticize, LOL

I knew you knew I knew ya  

[Justin Adams]

God does not want anybody lost. He bends over backwards to accommodate us in our folly.

I am unsure why we have to keep asking the question of, 'can I fall away' or 'am I always saved'.

If we understand and embrace what we know of the Lord wholeheartedly, giving as much of ourselves that we can understand to Him; what else must we do?
Jump thru dogmas' hoops? Hurl ourselves thru doctrines' doors to the unknown nirvana of nothingness?
Confuse ourselves with conflicting discussions? Worry about something we have so little chance of ever understanding outside of our own personal individual faith?

There is way too much psycho-Heresy and philosophy floating around in the minds of 'the leaders' and the products of our seminaries and bible colleges. 
Reading the actual bible for ourselves and studying the thoughts of the church fathers is also questioned by our religious oligarchy. Perhaps because they know how much has been tainted by poor translations and deliberate falsifying of many of the original documents.

We will stand alone before our Lord. 
All the books, sermons and a cartload of DVDs will be left behind.
It is just you and me, individually, that has to stand before our Lord Yeshua.
It is in HIM that we put our trust.

Trust in the Lord with all your hearts and lean NOT on your own understanding [or those theologians].
In all your way acknowledge Him and He will direct your paths.

[Guest shiloh357]

2 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

God does not want anybody lost. He bends over backwards to accommodate us in our folly.

I am unsure why we have to keep asking the question of, 'can I fall away' or 'am I always saved'.

If we understand and embrace what we know of the Lord wholeheartedly, giving as much of ourselves that we can understand to Him; what else must we do?
Jump thru dogmas' hoops? Hurl ourselves thru doctrines' doors to the unknown nirvana of nothingness?
Confuse ourselves with conflicting discussions? Worry about something we have so little chance of ever understanding outside of our own personal individual faith?

There is way too much psycho-Heresy and philosophy floating around in the minds of 'the leaders' and the products of our seminaries and bible colleges. 

 

Most of the false doctrines that put out there don't come from seminaries; they come from people who are not plugged into a local church,  and have a theology that they have cooked up on their own. 

[enoob57]

This is why God has set up through direction of Holy Spirit Pastors, teachers in the body so we can be guided unto all truth The Word Itself proclaims .... God forms a unified body when His Word is represented as The word 'IS' purposed in God Himself... The faith that is grown out of this is transportable into The Holiness of God The Father's Full Presence! This is what I never knew you meant by Our Lord

Matthew 7:23 (KJV)

[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You See we know at age twelve The Lord Jesus knew The Scriptures well for He amazed the teachers in the Temple... so if we know The Scripture to the point of practicing what is within those Scriptures then Christ The Lord Jesus will know us as well (all by The Power of God The Holy Spirit)...

John 8:32 (KJV)

[32] And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Imagine being in a unbounded place where there is truly no begin and end and possibilities in that are unbounded >free indeed<
Love, Steven

[Sower]

Yes, I can lose my salvation. But then I praise God, my rock, my fortress, my deliverer, it's not dependent upon me. As my Abba Father, He will do to/for me whatever needs to be done. He will NEVER leave me, He will NEVER forsake Me.  He is God Almighty, our creator. God is Light. He is my Daddy. Is He yours?

2Ti 1:12  For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day

 

 

[Justin Adams]

9 minutes ago, Gary Lee said:

Yes, I can lose my salvation. But then I praise God, my rock, my fortress, my deliverer, it's not dependent upon me. As my Abba Father, He will do to/for me whatever needs to be done. He will NEVER leave me, He will NEVER forsake Me.  He is God Almighty, our creator. God is Light. He is my Daddy. Is He yours?

2Ti 1:12  For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day

Well said!

 

 

[lastofall]

for this cause did the Lord Jesus Christ warn us in (Luke 17:32) "Remember Lot's wife" which is rightly divided with (Luke 9:62) "No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God."

[warrior12]

9 minutes ago, Yowm said:

If Rom 11 is speaking of being cast out in regards to personal salvationthen it looks like we will be grafted back in as well...

Romans 11:23-24,29 KJVS
[23] And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. [24] For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches , be graffed into their own olive tree? [29] For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Rom 11 just doesn't fit the personal paradigm. It is speaking of God's dealings with Israel, the Church and the Gentiles.

Exactly.  The whole chapter has to be read in its entirety to get the meat of the substance.  Why produce a verse and not substantiate what is the context behind it.